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I won't go any further in this line of discussion. I will monitor this so it remains civil.

 

Understandable.

 

Would have preferred you alerted a mod to clean up the one or two bad apples in the thread instead though.

 

Quiet a few people in this topic who were being helpful and enjoyed the feedback.

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Spent some time matching up pictures of NAs trying to find one from exactly the same angle as an ingame screenshot. Found one that is very close, and I think shows the difference pretty clearly.

 

Maybe someone with some photoshop skills can try and put them on top of each other.

 

Ingame NA

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Real NA

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And a GR9 for kicks

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rtQip7r.jpg

2UXjgrR.jpg

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Reduce the size of the housing, changed the inclination of the lens, moved up the side slip wind vane.

I think this is how should look the Night Attack.


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I agree with the latest posts: the shape and the size of the housing is wrong.

 

You have started with a gr7 project, then you have switched to N/A variant: most probably you have resized/reshaped the nose, but you've missed to reshape and resize the flir compartment, that is longer in UK's Harriers

 

Your gr7 for DCS

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Your NA for DCS

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Between the 2 images, the sensor size is the same, shape not changed, only nose is shorter

 

Note: I respect your work, but I think you must seriously fix this thing, before the Av-8B is out...

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I think the bigger sensor looks a bit out of place on the smaller nose cone.

 

I can imagine that going back to change the 3D model is the last thing RAZBAM wants to do at this moment

i`m no expert but i`m guessing it involves alot more work than just a quick edit in 3dsmax.

 

They are pushing the Harrier out pretty fast, probably due to scheduling constraints (Release by date xxx or wait in line after F-14 / Hornet) just my guess.

anyway whether after or before release i`m sure RAZBAM will look the at this issue

 

so relax and enjoy the ride.

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I think the bigger sensor looks a bit out of place on the smaller nose cone.

 

 

 

I can imagine that going back to change the 3D model is the last thing RAZBAM wants to do at this moment

 

i`m no expert but i`m guessing it involves alot more work than just a quick edit in 3dsmax.

 

 

 

They are pushing the Harrier out pretty fast, probably due to scheduling constraints (Release by date xxx or wait in line after F-14 / Hornet) just my guess.

 

anyway whether after or before release i`m sure RAZBAM will look the at this issue

 

 

 

so relax and enjoy the ride.

 

 

 

Sigh...

 

More acceptance for lack of attention to detail.

 

I mean spend all the effort going through official documents, collecting wind tunnel and performance charts. To then only burden yourself with pesky things like an eye for details. Psh!

 

I have some clients I want you to throw that excuse at when they ask my employer for modeling changes.

 

 

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I think the bigger sensor looks a bit out of place on the smaller nose cone.

 

I can imagine that going back to change the 3D model is the last thing RAZBAM wants to do at this moment

i`m no expert but i`m guessing it involves alot more work than just a quick edit in 3dsmax.

 

They are pushing the Harrier out pretty fast, probably due to scheduling constraints (Release by date xxx or wait in line after F-14 / Hornet) just my guess.

anyway whether after or before release i`m sure RAZBAM will look the at this issue

 

so relax and enjoy the ride.

 

I don't think I will. This is a fairly large error, and if large errors like this are simply passed over, what else is? RAZBAM wants to be known as a serious developer in this realm, creating obvious physical inconsistencies with the real aircraft is not a good way to demonstrate that. Even if it requires delay, this is not a change that should be simply ignored.

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I trust in the big job made by Razbam on the Harrier, but I would like to ear some words of his 3D artist (should be Prowler111 if I'm not wrong) on how to proceed to correct this inaccuracy.

Zeus said:

So any criticism about the size/shape of an element in the model must be very well documented indeed.

 

and

 

In those cases you must submit proof beyond a visual note for us to fix the item.

 

Now, we don't know what blueprint you have used (and I would like to underline that blueprint are designed by humans...), but I'm sure that the documentation/proof goal is reached...


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Folks, I just talked with out modeller and this is what he said:

 

we are already aware, they should not revisit old development pictures due to continual changes. that last post such an old model that even before wings were redone
So your observations were taken into account some time ago.

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Bug squashed even before it was noticed, nice job.

 

This is why it is called development. We appreciate the input but sometimes we are already on it long before you noticed. many times we are doing our photo ops and videos with placeholder models while the final versions are being developed.

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This is why it is called development. We appreciate the input but sometimes we are already on it long before you noticed. many times we are doing our photo ops and videos with placeholder models while the final versions are being developed.

 

That is what some don't seam to understand... Anyway nice to see that details are important :)

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Guys, its being taken care of

We were aware of it, not into our current priorities, Zeus told how it is, the models are in constant evolution, some notice, some not, but on each video or set of pics you see of the exterior model, something has changed

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Ok, thank you for this statement Prowler

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