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FYI, the bandit's gotta do horrible BFM to make this useful. BRB spiraling above your Harrier.

 

I mean, at least the Cobra can be a last ditch in a bad rate fight...This is a good meme too, but far less useful.

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the sea harriers of 801 had a lot of luck with this in mock NATO engagements before they deployed to the Falklands war.

in engagements limited to sidewinders only.

"sharky" ward (801 sq CO) describes it well in his book about the war.

 

something like..

 

the f15's and F4 can always use afterburner to boom and zoom you and get on your rear. but if you use your manoeuvring to avoid the ir lock and then do this to them. they always panic and light their burners to try and get away and bam sidewinder up the butt..

the fighter jockeys are trying so hard to get ir lock they don't notice they are now in a slowing vertical turn fight and not a boom and zoom..

 

target fixation gets you killed :)

the exercises ended with a harrier victory. by a large margin.

 

didn't actually use it much in the Falklands because the Argentinians ran away (avoided engagement)

 

so its good in training..

so will be great in air quake :)

target fixation kills most people in dcs :)

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http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/144216.Sea_Harrier_Over_The_Falklands

 

it was a good read although I read it years ago. he is very opinionated.. but backs a lot of it up with results and hindsight..

the book by admiral "sandy" Woodward is a good one for a history of the conflict.

he was task force commander

 

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/242359.One_Hundred_Days?from_search=true

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http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/144216.Sea_Harrier_Over_The_Falklands

 

it was a good read although I read it years ago. he is very opinionated.. but backs a lot of it up with results and hindsight..

the book by admiral "sandy" Woodward is a good one for a history of the conflict.

he was task force commander

 

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/242359.One_Hundred_Days?from_search=true

One of the best aviation books. Tells all the harrier story in falklands.... From the time they arrive to the navy, to the on the road practices going to falklands to the war itaelf. Read it twice.

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the f15's and F4 can always use afterburner to boom and zoom you and get on your rear. but if you use your manoeuvring to avoid the ir lock and then do this to them. they always panic and light their burners to try and get away and bam sidewinder up the butt..

the fighter jockeys are trying so hard to get ir lock they don't notice they are now in a slowing vertical turn fight and not a boom and zoom..

 

target fixation gets you killed :)

the exercises ended with a harrier victory. by a large margin.

 

 

Basher...I think I read this book, by Bill Gunston right? Anyways, this assumes that DCS can model properly the ir signature of the harrier, otherwise they[the adversary] may not be have much of a need to maneuver to get a good ir lock.

 

Btw... thanks for posting that passage, very appropriate to the Harrier.

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it's just like the cobra, everyone's going to ride out once thinking they're going to viff it up and instead find themselves too busy defending against radar shots. then they go into the forums and make a thread about how frustrating it is and why they deserve to carry amraams.


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it's just like the cobra, everyone's going to ride out once thinking they're going to viff it up and instead find themselves too busy defending against radar shots. then they go into the forums and make a thread about how frustrating it is and why they deserve to carry amraams.

 

I guess Bill Gunston and sharky know nothing about ACM. A specific combat maneuver with designed purpose, and you trivialize it, place it out of context, then dismiss it with hyperbole about how hypothetically people ignorant of its utility & limitations will complain and annoy you on the forums.

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I guess Bill Gunston and sharky know nothing about ACM. A specific combat maneuver with designed purpose, and you trivialize it, place it out of context, then dismiss it with hyperbole about how hypothetically people ignorant of its utility & limitations will complain and annoy you on the forums.

 

I have no idea how you get any of this out of what probad posted, oh well moving on.

 

For me this won't be useful at all. I only have one throttle and I will probably assigned nozzle control to a button, so I do not expect to be able to make fast nozzle movement in DCS.

To whom it may concern,

I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that.

Thank you for you patience.

 

 

Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..

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It was fine at the time as people didn't know about it - and it'll likely work within DCS world due to the inexperience, lack of formal training and lack of SA (due to virtual world) of the players... IRL most guys are prepared for it now cos it's the only trick they've got so doesn't really work so much against a skilled/trained bandit

 

Remember... in a fight ... energy is king... do this and you've just killed your speed "energy bucket" (Leaving you with only power and altitude to trade and get that back - and you didn't even gain anything in the altitude bucket when you traded airspeed). But like any of these things (a la "Cobra", even terminal medical issues, hijacked aircraft etc) .. if you're gonna die imminently anyway; who cares, prob worth having a go - never know, maybe you'll get lucky!

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