Better Air to Air Refueling

[Ala12Rv-watermanpc]

Title says it all...when refueling with the A-10C, boom style, its more or less ok, I mean, the boom doesnt move very organic or realistic but it is what it is, a "long stick" connected to the receiver.

 

The problem comes when trying to do this stuff with planes like the M2000C or SU-27 (and the coming F-18, Harrier, etc.), probe-and-drogue style...and here is where things could REALLY improve a lot.

 

I wish a realistic, fluid and challenging modeling of the basket and its hose would be done...oh boy!! it would make such an incredible jump in terms of quality!!:music_whistling:

 

the hose reacting to the air flow as well as the basket (I dont think we would need a fluid simulation here, just some animation with the ability to react to the probe's touches), a nice high poly hose and a fluid and accurate reaction to the probe actuation would be AMAZING!!

 

Personally, I find AtA refueling as one of the most FUN and CHALLENGING things I can do in DCS and its also quite realistic as modern fighters will need to do it in most missions so I consider this as a KEY part of the whole DCS simulation which, curiously, is not well simulated at all (we dont even have big tankers with basket for non russian countries IIRC).

 

I would make a mission consistent in just AtA refueling and I would be very happy and would have a lot of fun just finding the tanker, managing the procedure correctly, doing the refuel and RTB and would call it a day (I do it in fact :P) but it would be a dream and a total game changer, to do it enjoying a realistic physics and accurate behaviour of all the things involved into this procedure, so I hope some improvements can be done in near future regarding to this.

 

:thumbup:

[twistking]

i totally agree!

[shagrat]

Title says it all...when refueling with the A-10C, boom style, its more or less ok, I mean, the boom doesnt move very organic or realistic but it is what it is, a "long stick" connected to the receiver.

 

The problem comes when trying to do this stuff with planes like the M2000C or SU-27 (and the coming F-18, Harrier, etc.), probe-and-drogue style...and here is where things could REALLY improve a lot.

 

I wish a realistic, fluid and challenging modeling of the basket and its hose would be done...oh boy!! it would make such an incredible jump in terms of quality!!:music_whistling:

 

the hose reacting to the air flow as well as the basket (I dont think we would need a fluid simulation here, just some animation with the ability to react to the probe's touches), a nice high poly hose and a fluid and accurate reaction to the probe actuation would be AMAZING!!

 

Personally, I find AtA refueling as one of the most FUN and CHALLENGING things I can do in DCS and its also quite realistic as modern fighters will need to do it in most missions so I consider this as a KEY part of the whole DCS simulation which, curiously, is not well simulated at all (we dont even have big tankers with basket for non russian countries IIRC).

 

I would make a mission consistent in just AtA refueling and I would be very happy and would have a lot of fun just finding the tanker, managing the procedure correctly, doing the refuel and RTB and would call it a day (I do it in fact :P) but it would be a dream and a total game changer, to do it enjoying a realistic physics and accurate behaviour of all the things involved into this procedure, so I hope some improvements can be done in near future regarding to this.

 

The "Boom" isn't very realistic either at the moment.

IRL there is a boom operator and you simply fly the plane into position and fly formation.

There is a nice thread in which Sierra99 explains the details. He has done the boom operator job and knows what he is talking about.

You can manage in DCS World, but it is much harder than in real life.

EDIT found it.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2897541&postcount=71

Edited May 19, 2017 by shagrat

[Aginor]

Yep, tanking is broken.

It isn't impossible, (with knowledge about the wrong behaviour and some practice it isn't even that hard), but it is still broken and very unrealistic.

 

AFAIK it is acknowledged by ED but there is no information yet on if, how, and when it will be fixed.

[Nooch]

Thanks to the OP for bringing this up. I fully agree.

[Ala12Rv-watermanpc]

Glad to see more people are interested on this!, thanks for your comments.

 

This is a very important part of a mission even if it's not a very long one chances are you will have to refuel in flight so... also I wonder if a better simulation of ata refueling could be implemented for the hornet (I mean one hornet refueling in flight to another hornet) woooowww imagine that in MP :joystick:

 

edit:forgot to mention, great post to read Shagrat, many thanks!

Edited May 19, 2017 by watermanpc

[Snacko]

Just got the update today and the Updater 2.6.21.16 still has the old "Waiting for Update to Complete..." and "Shutting the torrents down..." windows hanging.

 

I have not had this problem for a while. Maybe 6 months.

 

Anybody else get this again?

[Ala12Rv-watermanpc]

?? wrong thread mate??...I didnt have any problem btw.

[AMEDooley]

Glad to see more people are interested on this!, thanks for your comments.

 

This is a very important part of a mission even if it's not a very long one chances are you will have to refuel in flight so... also I wonder if a better simulation of ata refueling could be implemented for the hornet (I mean one hornet refueling in flight to another hornet) woooowww imagine that in MP :joystick:

 

edit:forgot to mention, great post to read Shagrat, many thanks!

 

 

Only the Super Hornets do ATA. Legacy Hornets, at least when I was in, didn't have the ability to perform a tankers function. So until a SH is modeled I doubt we will see player being tankers.

[Ala12Rv-watermanpc]

Damn, you are right, my fail then!!:music_whistling:

[shagrat]

Only the Super Hornets do ATA. Legacy Hornets, at least when I was in, didn't have the ability to perform a tankers function. So until a SH is modeled I doubt we will see player being tankers.

I would be glad for a realistic implemented, working western Tanker with drogue and boom options... If we could "man the boom" awesome addition.

With more and more drogue-probe equipped jets coming up (Mirage, AV-8B, Hornet) we really need this functional and to DCS standard.

[Ala12Rv-watermanpc]

I would be glad for a realistic implemented, working western Tanker with drogue and boom options... If we could "man the boom" awesome addition.

With more and more drogue-probe equipped jets coming up (Mirage, AV-8B, Hornet) we really need this functional and to DCS standard.

 

Amen!!!:thumbup:

[eyewave]

totally agree! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

 

Title says it all...when refueling with the A-10C, boom style, its more or less ok, I mean, the boom doesnt move very organic or realistic but it is what it is, a "long stick" connected to the receiver.

 

The problem comes when trying to do this stuff with planes like the M2000C or SU-27 (and the coming F-18, Harrier, etc.), probe-and-drogue style...and here is where things could REALLY improve a lot.

 

I wish a realistic, fluid and challenging modeling of the basket and its hose would be done...oh boy!! it would make such an incredible jump in terms of quality!!:music_whistling:

 

the hose reacting to the air flow as well as the basket (I dont think we would need a fluid simulation here, just some animation with the ability to react to the probe's touches), a nice high poly hose and a fluid and accurate reaction to the probe actuation would be AMAZING!!

 

Personally, I find AtA refueling as one of the most FUN and CHALLENGING things I can do in DCS and its also quite realistic as modern fighters will need to do it in most missions so I consider this as a KEY part of the whole DCS simulation which, curiously, is not well simulated at all (we dont even have big tankers with basket for non russian countries IIRC).

 

I would make a mission consistent in just AtA refueling and I would be very happy and would have a lot of fun just finding the tanker, managing the procedure correctly, doing the refuel and RTB and would call it a day (I do it in fact :P) but it would be a dream and a total game changer, to do it enjoying a realistic physics and accurate behaviour of all the things involved into this procedure, so I hope some improvements can be done in near future regarding to this.

[Winterz]

+100 to this

[ThorBrasil]

Improved air refueling?

 

ED! Can you better aerial refueling? In DCS the basket appears to have a magnet. It would be very cool to put a physics in the basket and the refueling probe. Thank You!

 

[Winterz]

Been asked there:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=187643

 

I hope ED will take a look at it aswell.

[mytai01]

Sounds good to me!

[AFBoomer]

I currently am a boom operator and have offered to help developers make this better and more realistic. Got nothing yet, but I would love to make it more like the real thing

[Scrape]

It seems its a coding think. It works the way it does keeps the cycles clear for other sim calculations. I think its an acceptable 'work'.

[MRSHADO]

+1000 to this.

 

I think the probe and drogue method has the furthest to go with improvement. I would love to see TACAN with other tankers.

 

Speaking of A/A TACAN - the normal 63 channel offset would be welcome as well. (ex. in real life - if the Tanker has 29Y set, any receiver would need 92Y to get bearing and distance; 92-63=29). Eagle Dynamic Digital Combat Simulator should be the FIRST to implement that. :thumbup:

 

I also want pre-contact dual drogue, appropriate hose markings, reel response and associated lights on Sargent Fletcher Pods for the KC-130s. A KC-10 would be nice also.

 

Is that a lot?

Edited December 12, 2017 by MRSHADO
deleted MC-130E/H/P

[Hermit713]

So you are Happy with the way the pilot flies the Tanker????

 

It reminds me of when my friends would wait for someone to try to get into a car, and JUST WHEN the person is attempting to open the door to get in, the driver PULLS AWAY....LOLOL

It is like some SICK joke.....

Fly at the ideal distance and when you get close the ****ER pulls up and away... and then the BOOM operator, doesn't have a LONG enough stick to get it into the ****ing fuel tank..... Jack ass driver...... (can you tell I just spent an hour trying to refuel my f15 while on a mission and failed)

[shagrat]

Speaking of A/A TACAN - the normal 63 channel offset would be welcome as well. (ex. in real life - if the Tanker has 29Y set, any receiver would need 92Y to get bearing and distance; 92-63=29). Eagle Dynamic Digital Combat Simulator should be the FIRST to implement that.

If I remember correct that is exactly how the TACAN in the A-10C with the KC-135 used to work since DCS: A-10C Warthog.

Is it broken?

[Texac]

So this answer was posted on facebook in the comments section by Eagle Dynamics today under their latest DCS: F/A-18C Hornet post which refers to a better simulation of aerial refueling in DCS.

 

Q: How is Wags making out with refueling?

A: On hold as we create a new tanker and improved hose and basket physics.

Edited March 15, 2018 by Texac

[shagrat]

So this answer was posted on facebook in the comments section by Eagle Dynamics today under their latest DCS: F/A-18C Hornet post which refers to a better simulation of aerial refueling in DCS.

good news. I hope they go over the less than helpful Boom operator as well. ;)

[Ala12Rv-watermanpc]

So this answer was posted on facebook in the comments section by Eagle Dynamics today under their latest DCS: F/A-18C Hornet post which refers to a better simulation of aerial refueling in DCS.

 

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek: such a good news!!!!!!...cant wait to see the improvements!:thumbup:, thanks for sharing Texac!