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Love the Lightning as well. Would love to see it, but I believe it was primarily utilized in the Pacific /Chinese_Burma and North African theaters of operation and not so much in the Normandy area.

 

Regardless, would still love to see it as an A.I. aircraft.

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Any love for the P-38 out there? Of all the ww2 aircraft this one was what I was most interested in.

 

 

Yeah.....P-38 is my absolute fave of all WWII ac. It is followed closely by the F4U. I have seen both discussed here but never any real talk of having them as modules in the near future. When ED or one of it's partners announce anything, it usually takes well over a year after the announcement. Sometimes several years so It's not in the cards for the foreseeable future in my book.

 

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=154611 <corsair chat thread

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=126152&page=10 <P-38 chat thread

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OOOhhh... I would love, almost cherish a P-38 module, or any other twin engine prop aircraft, A-20, JU88, Mosquito, B25 or 26, TU-2, PE-3, Ki-67.


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Love the Lightning as well. Would love to see it, but I believe it was primarily utilized in the Pacific /Chinese_Burma and North African theaters of operation and not so much in the Normandy area.

 

Regardless, would still love to see it as an A.I. aircraft.

 

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Meh, there are other bombers I'd like to see in DCS before the P-38.:music_whistling:

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Meh, there are other bombers I'd like to see in DCS before the P-38.:music_whistling:

 

Shots fired...lol

 

The plane was widely used in Europe, but it didn't enjoy as much success as the P47, and P51. Still though the plane was beautiful. In an alternate setting the plane could actually do very differently. It was designed to be a bomber intercepter. Of course that was never needed, but it still turned out to be a decent fighter.

 

Also If you're modeling the air corps of ww2 in Europe, it'd be nice to have the big three fighters modelled...51, 47, 38

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I also would love to see the P38 as well as the P47 and Me 262. I am currently busy flying those planes in the old Il2-Sturmovik 1946 game. Those versions, of course, are nowhere as realistic as the DCS planes, but given that's all there is right now, that is what I have to go with.

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As I've said before, I want nothing more in DCS than a max-fidelity P-38L.

 

While the '38 was able to serve reasonably well in the recon and ground attack roles, its most important role was that of fighter. P-38s effectively destroyed the Luftwaffe over the latter's own territory, long before the P-51 came along, while the P-38's shorter-ranged counterparts lacked the ability to keep up on those deadly long-range missions. Without the P-38, the Allies would have surely lost the war; prior to the advent of the P-51, only the P-38 could escort the Allied bombers all the way to Berlin, and when they tried flying them there unescorted, a consistent 80% loss rate ensued. My research led me to conclude that this was the most under-rated and least well-understood fighter of the war.

 

The Lightning gained my affection with her lovely lines & curves; what gained my respect was how well she fared with so much stacked against her.


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Meh, there are other bombers I'd like to see in DCS before the P-38.:music_whistling:

 

I'm not sure that it falls into the "Bomber" category. It was initially designed as a fighter but quickly became a fighter that was amazingly effective as a ground attack aircraft.

The P-38 was very effective against the German fighters. But was even more successful against the Japanese in the pacific.

It was a versatile plane indeed. I would have very easily picked it over the P-51 any day.

 

And yes, the turbocharger had issues early on but those problems were solved and the P-38 went on to become a legend that never got the recognition that it deserved.

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Meh, there are other bombers I'd like to see in DCS before the P-38.:music_whistling:

 

Well, in the P-38s defense Americas highest ace scored all his kills in the P-38.

 

I'm a P-47 nut all the way, but I wouldn't mind a P-38, especially with a Pacific setting and some Zeros to shoot down.

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Well, in the P-38s defense Americas highest ace scored all his kills in the P-38.

no, credit is due to the relative inferiority of japanese designs. bong was a poor shot who made his kills pointblank and his luck wouldnt have held against the faster and properly armored aircraft of the eto.

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As I've said before, I want nothing more in DCS than a max-fidelity P-38L.

 

While the '38 was able to serve reasonably well in the recon and ground attack roles, its most important role was that of fighter. P-38s effectively destroyed the Luftwaffe over the latter's own territory, long before the P-51 came along, while the P-38's shorter-ranged counterparts lacked the ability to keep up on those deadly long-range missions. Without the P-38, the Allies would have surely lost the war; prior to the advent of the P-51, only the P-38 could escort the Allied bombers all the way to Berlin, and when they tried flying them there unescorted, a consistent 80% loss rate ensued. My research led me to conclude that this was the most under-rated and least well-understood fighter of the war.

 

The Lightning gained my affection with her lovely lines & curves; what gained my respect was how well she fared with so much stacked against her.

 

The 55th FG was the first P-38 group operational with the 8th USAAF in October 1943. The 354th FG became operational with the 9th USAAF in December 1943; it was loaned to the 8th for escort duty, mission #196 on 5th December being the first.

Mission #247 on 4th March, 1944 was the first 8th USAAF bombing raid on Berlin. P-51's participated on that raid.

 

I think it's safe to say that P-38's didn't hurt the Luftwaffe seriously over it's own territory prior to the advent of the P-51.

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no, credit is due to the relative inferiority of japanese designs. bong was a poor shot who made his kills pointblank and his luck wouldnt have held against the faster and properly armored aircraft of the eto.

 

Give credit where it is due. Bong was a good pilot and a smart one at that, whether he was a bad shot or not, he got the kills.

 

I'm not gonna debate much about whether he would have done as well in Europe, it's funny though that the highest scoring American ace in the European theater flew a P-47 against "superior aircraft".

 

Point is, the aircraft isn't always the deciding factor, and just because the German aircraft were superior doesn't mean he would have done poorly.

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giving credit where credit is due involves not focusing solely on a datapoint as insubstantial as total killcount. to achieve the highest killcount one does not necessarily have to have the best marksmanship or the greatest mastery over his aircraft if one has the right mix of supporting tactics, infrastructure, and opportunities.

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The land war in the East too? Surely it was a mighty machine, but please ;)

 

yes seeing how marshal zhukov himself said if it weren't for american supplies the ussr would have fallen seeing how it enabled them to focus on vital tank and plane production, since they didn't have America's industrial capacity.:music_whistling:

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yes seeing how marshal zhukov himself said if it weren't for american supplies the ussr would have fallen seeing how it enabled them to focus on vital tank and plane production, since they didn't have America's industrial capacity.:music_whistling:

 

People seem to forget that without American Industry the war could have been much longer, or it may have even gone a different way.

 

Russia and America deserve much of the credit for bringing the war to and end imo, but so do all the other countries, the war was a joint effort so no one country deserves all the credit.

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