Joni Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 Hi, I was looking to see if someone here who has the TWCS throttle would tell me if the rudder toggle axis can actually be configured as buttons (two I guess). This will make me decide whether to buy it or not. Thanks a lot!!! Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
cichlidfan Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 Since it can use TARGET, yes, but it will require using TARGET to reprogram the axis. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
Joni Posted June 29, 2017 Author Posted June 29, 2017 Know for a fact? Remember this will help decide to buy it. What do you mean exactly by reprogram the axis? It sounded like something you dont wanna do. Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
VampireNZ Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) Know for a fact? Remember this will help decide to buy it. What do you mean exactly by reprogram the axis? It sounded like something you dont wanna do. He was probably just referring to the fact some ppl don't like using Target. I am one of those people - I have a TWCS throttle and prefer to just plug and play and not faff with Target at all. That said - I would highly recommend running a quick Google search on the matter, as I guarantee you are not the only person in the world to have asked this question. https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Thrustmaster+Target+program+axis+as+button&oq=Thrustmaster+Target+program+axis+as+button&aqs=chrome..69i57.9767j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Edited June 29, 2017 by VampireNZ Vampire
Joni Posted June 29, 2017 Author Posted June 29, 2017 He was probably just referring to the fact some ppl don't like using Target. I am one of those people - I have a TWCS throttle and prefer to just plug and play and not faff with Target at all. And what do you use the rudder toggle for? It can or cant be put as buttons? Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
Sokol1_br Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 What you are able to do is program this (rudder) axis to send key press, not (DX) "buttons". Example: paddle for left send - paddle for right send + In game controls set this + and - to some commands. For do this you need use that TARGET (or some 3rd party keyppader that allow map axis).
Joni Posted June 29, 2017 Author Posted June 29, 2017 What you are able to do is program this (rudder) axis to send key press, not (DX) "buttons". Example: paddle for left send - paddle for right send + In game controls set this + and - to some commands. For do this you need use that TARGET (or some 3rd party keyppader that allow map axis). Hi, I know that. What I dont know is if it can be configured as button purely. But I guess not, if it works like ssitek's Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
cichlidfan Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 Hi, I know that. What I dont know is if it can be configured as button purely. But I guess not, if it works like ssitek's The only way to do what you want requires the use of Target (or some other 3rd party programming tool). ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
Sokol1_br Posted June 29, 2017 Posted June 29, 2017 What I dont know is if it can be configured as button purely. To this you need be able to set this "axis to button" in controller firmware - like VKB Njoy32 or MMjoy2 firmware allow - Thrustmaster don't allow you make changes in firmware. Anyway for games don't make difference if this axis send a button # or key input - although the last require a "gadget" software in between.
Joni Posted June 29, 2017 Author Posted June 29, 2017 Could someone who owns it let me know how you use it? Is the tiggle good or fails and jitters a lot? Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
Joni Posted June 30, 2017 Author Posted June 30, 2017 I saw that video a couple of months ago, and acoording to it, it's a great throttle. But I am concerned about the QC and not all of them being equally built, like Saitek. Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
Sokol1_br Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 TWCS is relatively new in the market, so their durability is unknown, what you want know only time will tell. But don't expect much difference from Saitek's/Logitech, like these TWCS use cheap pontentiomer in all axis. Joystick potentiometer start spike is matter of time. No much complains about quality after purchase in Amazon.com "reviews" - that don't worth much as review, but at least point better QC than Saitek's. https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-TWCS-Throttle-Controller-2960754/dp/B01L28LVUG
Joni Posted June 30, 2017 Author Posted June 30, 2017 Saitek's QC comes bad right out of the box so there is no durability issue rather than a QC issue per se. Are you saying that Thrustmaster has the same kind of poor QC? Always thought they were superior. thanks! Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
Sokol1_br Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 No, I say that Tm QC is good - no complains from Amazon buyers, components (potentiometer) that is from same low cost category like used in Saitek and Logitech.
Joni Posted June 30, 2017 Author Posted June 30, 2017 ...But don't expect much difference from Saitek's/Logitech, like these TWCS use cheap pontentiomer in all axis. Ok, I took the first sentence for a fact. I guess Ill just buy this. Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
Joni Posted July 18, 2017 Author Posted July 18, 2017 I just got my TWCS and all I can say is: awesome! Every single axis returns to center, no jitter, tons of hats and buttons. This is the best price/quality ratio i have ever seen. I recommend it. Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
murissaab Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 I just got my TWCS and all I can say is: awesome! Every single axis returns to center, no jitter, tons of hats and buttons. This is the best price/quality ratio i have ever seen. I recommend it. Tons of hats yes but not a ton of buttons :)
Canadus Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) Tons of hats yes but not a ton of buttons :) Jepp... true... :( But you can assign the various hats as buttons. Thats what I did for most of them. Does someone know, how I can mapp that Slew Button on the upper left side of the Throttle to the Zoom Axis? DCS won't let me do this... :huh: Edited July 26, 2017 by Canadus Ryzen 5800XD - 32GB RAM - Sapphire RX 7900 XTX - VKB Stuff + MFG Crosswind Pedals Homebase: Southwest Germany
Joni Posted July 26, 2017 Author Posted July 26, 2017 Jepp... true... :( But you can assign the various hats as buttons. Thats what I did for most of them. Does someone know, how I can mapp that Slew Button on the upper left side of the Throttle to the Zoom Axis? DCS won't let me do this... :huh: Yes, you have several options. Are you using target or just directx, or perhaps target + directx? Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
Sokol1_br Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) ... how I can mapp that Slew Button on the upper left side of the Throttle to the Zoom Axis? DCS won't let me do this... :huh: This "Slew Button" (?) is what Tm call "Antenna axis" in their manual? http://ts.thrustmaster.com/download/accessories/manuals/TWCS_throttle/TWCS_Throttle_Manual_All.pdf Sometimes DCS controls GUI is reluctant in see some axis by their movement, in the case select the axis by name in drop down menu. You can see the axis name in Windows Games controller - type joy.cpl in Windows Start/Cortana box. Edited July 26, 2017 by Sokol1_br
Canadus Posted July 27, 2017 Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) This "Slew Button" (?) is what Tm call "Antenna axis" in their manual? http://ts.thrustmaster.com/download/accessories/manuals/TWCS_throttle/TWCS_Throttle_Manual_All.pdf Sometimes DCS controls GUI is reluctant in see some axis by their movement, in the case select the axis by name in drop down menu. You can see the axis name in Windows Games controller - type joy.cpl in Windows Start/Cortana box. You sir are absolutely right, it's the Antenna Axis. Will try that out & should really RTFM :D Thx... Edit: It won't let me map the ZOOM-Setting - which is normally mapped to my 3rd Mouse-Button - to the Antenna-Axis of the TWCS, as I can't click on the Field... :huh: Where can I find a command (that I can map to an axis), for zooming my view in the cockpit, while using a Tracker system? Edited July 27, 2017 by Canadus Ryzen 5800XD - 32GB RAM - Sapphire RX 7900 XTX - VKB Stuff + MFG Crosswind Pedals Homebase: Southwest Germany
Joni Posted July 27, 2017 Author Posted July 27, 2017 Thats because you are not in the axis zoom. Press the axis menu and double click the zoom line at the end. Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
Canadus Posted July 27, 2017 Posted July 27, 2017 Thats because you are not in the axis zoom. Press the axis menu and double click the zoom line at the end. No sir; I can't click the field, even if I`m highlighting the whole line. I can click each other field, but none of the 3 fields for camera-view, which are mapped to the mouse axis. :huh: Just for clarification; I want to map a function to some axis (preferably the antenna axis of the TWCS Throttle), which lets me zoom in or out, when I start to fly. Like shifting the seat in your car to the front. Zooming itself, will then be done using my tracker. Maybe I have to use a different function to map, but I'm confused, that I can`t click that fu*%§ng field... :joystick: Ryzen 5800XD - 32GB RAM - Sapphire RX 7900 XTX - VKB Stuff + MFG Crosswind Pedals Homebase: Southwest Germany
Joni Posted July 27, 2017 Author Posted July 27, 2017 Ok, try placing the cursor over the mouse assignments on the right and click "Clear" in the bottom. Then you should be able to map the axis. Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
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