Joni Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 The most needed charts are the performance charts : ITR, STR, climb, consumption... This is very important. Agree 100% Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VampireNZ Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 I could add my 0.02c as a new Mirage user, but really I think the manual pretty much speaks for itself fairly loudly. Lots of information missing like full info on the RADAR and Radios, why is the D2M status light flashing at me, stuff like that. The A-10 manual has 700 pages, just at the other end of the spectrum, if you are after any ideas on what type of information should be in the manual, and how to display it. Obviously not expecting a manual of that scope, but a very good yardstick to use IMHO for an example of a 'complete manual'. Asus Maximus VIII Hero Alpha| i7-6700K @ 4.60GHz | nVidia GTX 1080ti Strix OC 11GB @ 2075MHz| 16GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB 3200Mhz DDR4 CL14 | Samsung 950 PRO 512GB M.2 SSD | Corsair Force LE 480GB SSD | Windows 10 64-Bit | TM Warthog with FSSB R3 Lighting Base | VKB Gunfighter Pro + MCG | TM MFD's | Oculus Rift S | Jetseat FSE [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlidfan Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Finding what's missing is easy. Look at the real manual(s). If it is in there then it is probably significant and should be included in the manual for the sim. If something is not modeled then you annotate that section to indicate such. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge55 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Good news you are taking this on BD. Thanks [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] i7 10700K OC 5.1GHZ / 500GB SSD & 1TB M:2 & 4TB HDD / MSI Gaming MB / GTX 1080 / 32GB RAM / Win 10 / TrackIR 4 Pro / CH Pedals / TM Warthog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 .... If something is not modeled then you annotate that section to indicate such. This Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Finding what's missing is easy. Look at the real manual(s). If it is in there then it is probably significant and should be included in the manual for the sim. If something is not modeled then you annotate that section to indicate such. The day you find Mirage 2000C RDI manual on the web please call me. And I don't even speak about weapon system. Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradox Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 The day you find Mirage 2000C RDI manual on the web please call me. And I don't even speak about weapon system. Hey if it works as authentically as you can get it in the sim then I'll take it and call it a good job :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charly_Owl Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 @cichlidfan: When talking about real life documentation for a modern (70's and later) Mirage, finding what's missing is anything but easy... especially with Dassault documentation. What's available to the public is close to nothing. France's DoD is much more secretive than it seems. Chuck's DCS Tutorial Library Chuck's Guides on Mudspike Chuck's Youtube Channel Chuck's Patreon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baltic_dragon Posted July 25, 2017 Author Share Posted July 25, 2017 I think we will just go system by system and see what is missing, what can be added as additional info (so not only how the system works, but also some hints, tips & tricks) and what is still not available in the current version of the M-2000C and clearly mark those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrayen Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 The most needed charts are the performance charts : ITR, STR, climb, consumption... Obviously this can't be done yet, as there is work remaining to tune just that ;) OTOH, I'm sure you know of other sources which are not to be named around here. :smartass: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 The day you find Mirage 2000C RDI manual on the web please call me. And I don't even speak about weapon system. This leads me to wonder where RAZBAM got the information on the systems functionality. PC Specs / Hardware: MSI z370 Gaming Plus Mainboard, Intel 8700k @ 5GHz, MSI Sea Hawk 2080 Ti @ 2100MHz, 32GB 3200 MHz DDR4 RAM Displays: Philips BDM4065UC 60Hz 4K UHD Screen, Pimax 8KX Controllers / Peripherals: VPC MongoosT-50, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, modded MS FFB2/CH Combatstick, MFG Crosswind Pedals, Gametrix JetSeat OS: Windows 10 Home Creator's Update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yol Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) In fact there is a m2k-c manual that can be found somewhere on internet, but I guess Razbam already got it's hand on it.:book: Edit : must be the first version without rdi Edited July 26, 2017 by Yol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myHelljumper Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 Obviously this can't be done yet, as there is work remaining to tune just that ;) OTOH, I'm sure you know of other sources which are not to be named around here. :smartass: Off course and yes ;). Helljumper - M2000C Guru Helljumper's Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK3rTjezLUxPbWHvJJ3W2fA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 So we have a plane made on pure guess? Im just asking pls dont get angry. And im sorry for the off topic. Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlidfan Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 So we have a plane made on pure guess? Im just asking pls dont get angry. And im sorry for the off topic. Even if they made it all up, they had to give the coders some documentation to work from. This is why there is no excuse for an incomplete manual. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 And this is why they are working on a new one more complete. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) Im currently reading the manual from head to toe and I will be providing feedback as I move on. Edited July 26, 2017 by JohnnyQ grammar error Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 Thanks, this is what they need now. The more info and help the better the final result. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Askerov24 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 Error in the manual, don't know if it's been mentioned before. Acer Aspire E5-571G-713W/Intel® Core™ i7-4510U 2.0-3.1GHz/12 GB DDR3 L Memo/NVIDIA® GeForce® 820M 2 GB/1000 GB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yol Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 I guess you already have the RDM version manual. I think this is not a guess-work they are doing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erk104 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 I posted this in bugs section... however I think this is where it belongs. https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=190190 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al531246 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 This is the most up to date version of the manual I have found(my link) - https://mega.nz/#!2YsgFQJY!s8oOXLdoH7NhJTeFMdleGErcEJnMOCU2EsaXHqQ8ko4 Intel i5-8600k | EVGA RTX 3070 | Windows 10 | 32GB RAM @3600 MHz | 500 GB Samsung 850 SSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunski34 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Very interesting ;) If it is a real manual, I saw that a BRM push button is used for weapons and the joystick trigger is only used for cannon A/A and A/G modes (actually trigger is used for all weapons). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrayen Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Outdated information, sunski34. BRM for older RDM Mirage. MICROB for RDI Mirage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunski34 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Ok thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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