Beamscanner Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 The Rafale is a 4++ generation Multi-role fighter decked out with a PESA/AESA radar, IRST, Missile warning system, RWR, Link-16, great T/W, medium range IR missiles, and is carrier capable. Rafale's are being exported by France. I imagine that if they are willing to export them then some information on systems, features and functions could be obtained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evoman Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) The main issue with the Rafale is that it is 4.5 Gen airplane. It is still too new and is currently being used as front line fighter to be able to get all the necessary data on the systems in particular weapons systems that may still be classified at this point in time. DCS is just now getting to some 4th gen fighters that have become old enough for the data to be declassified. That was one of the hold ups with the F-4 Phantom for a long time up until recently because it has been in service with other countries for so long. And the F-4 is a 3rd Gen! Check out the chart below to get a good overview of all the combat aircraft generation classifications. Its in Russian but its the best chart I could find. Edited August 9, 2017 by Evoman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 razbam had it rough with the m2000c and you think dassault's gonna somehow be more cooperative with the rafale? give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beamscanner Posted August 9, 2017 Author Share Posted August 9, 2017 razbam had it rough with the m2000c and you think dassault's gonna somehow be more cooperative with the rafale? give me a break. I dont imagine it's easy for them to obtain data any combat aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viperdogsnake Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Your just wasting forum dataspace on pipe dreams on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I dont imagine it's easy for them to obtain data any combat aircraft. There was a guy around who tried to do the rafale as a module and got a no from dassault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fer_Fer Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 The main issue with the Rafale is that it is 4.5 Gen airplane. It is still too new and is currently being used as front line fighter to be able to get all the necessary data on the systems in particular weapons systems that may still be classified at this point in time. DCS is just now getting to some 4th gen fighters that have become old enough for the data to be declassified. That was one of the hold ups with the F-4 Phantom for a long time up until recently because it has been in service with other countries for so long. And the F-4 is a 3rd Gen! Check out the chart below to get a good overview of all the combat aircraft generation classifications. Its in Russian but its the best chart I could find. That picture has a glaring Error in that the Mirage 2000 is considered a 4th Gen Aircraft, and not a 3rd as the chart implies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMikeJuliet Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 That picture has a glaring Error in that the Mirage 2000 is considered a 4th Gen Aircraft, and not a 3rd as the chart implies. A little offtopic, but remember that there is no singular generation definition. There are several, and most of them set around the same things, but each have their own spin on what defines each generation. Though I do agree with your definition. DCS Finland | SF squadron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evoman Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) That picture has a glaring Error in that the Mirage 2000 is considered a 4th Gen Aircraft, and not a 3rd as the chart implies. The Mirage 2000 is in the 3rd Gen group. It just appears on the same level as the 4th gens but if you looks closely at the chart you will see it has divider lines around each groups generation. If you look to the right of the mirage 2000 on the border it says 3e. And if you keep looking to your right you will see the J-8 is almost right next to it but its with in the 2nd Gen group (2e) Edited August 11, 2017 by Evoman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacab Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 The Mirage 2000 is in the 3rd Gen group. It just appears on the same level as the 4th gens but if you looks closely at the chart you will see it has divider lines around each groups generation. If you look to the right of the mirage 2000 on the border it says 3e. And if you keep looking to your right you will see the J-8 is almost right next to it but its with in the 2nd Gen group (2e)This picture is a nonsense. The Mirage 2000 is a 4th generation jet, there should be no discussion about that. Indeed the last evolution of the 2000, the Mirage 2000-9 is as capable as an F-16 blk 52. And the Mirage F1 is almost of the same generation than the F-16 (during the European competition to select a replacement the F-16 was facing competition from an upgraded Mirage F1, not from a Mirage 2000). Envoyé de mon D5803 en utilisant Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Super Bug is 4.5 Gen :-) Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Swan Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Super Bug is 4.5 Gen :-) Indeed, it and the Su-35 are missing from that chart. GeForce GTX 970, i5 4690K 3.5 GHz, 8 GB ram, Win 10, 1080p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp89 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Is there an English version of this image? Would like to see: Panavia Tornado Panther AS565 English Electric Lightning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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