Joni Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Is there any way to disable the zoom out action at the start of each mission? Its the most annoying thing Ive ever seen. Thanks! Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Sorry i must disagree. The most annoying thing i´ve ever seen is this. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowTiger Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 @Esac LOL I think I read this is zoom-out at the beginning is something to do with TiR but I'm not sure about that. In any case, it only takes a couple seconds. Providing you have a zoom in/out/reset function on your Hotas Stick, it shouldn't be too much of an issue. As far as I know, there is NO WAY to avoid this issue. SnowTiger:joystick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Posted August 26, 2017 Author Share Posted August 26, 2017 It happens regardless of TIR. Too bad there is no fix :( Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMikeJuliet Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 This is probably the seventeenth time this issue is brought up. I would very much like to se it gone as it has no use and annoys a lot of users. "deal with it" doesn't make it any less annoying. In fact on several instant action WVR scenarios I lose precious 2 seconds because of this by having to wait for the zoom to start so I can set it to whatever I feel comfortable with. I've said it earlier and I say it again: remove this "feature" and allow users to set their initial FOV via options so everyone starts with the exact FOV they prefer from the getgo. Regards, MikeMikeJuliet DCS Finland | SF squadron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 tap the zoom in or out button briefly and it will stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petsild Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 The zoom doesn't make any sense, absolutely unnecessary functions. MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4, Kingston 3600 MHz 64 Gb, i5 12600K, Gigabyte RTX 4090, Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus,VKB NXT Premium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Posted August 26, 2017 Author Share Posted August 26, 2017 tap the zoom in or out button briefly and it will stop. Ive been doing that since lomac, I was asking if it can be disabled... Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Ive been doing that since lomac, I was asking if it can be disabled... As did many people before you asking that question. With this method, you can disable about 80% or more of the animation if you are quick enough :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkBaztard Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Funny.. apparently I made up a reason. I figured it kind of like a loading screen and absorb some of the spawn in/stuttering load of the first moments of game play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaelu Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 You can disable it and make it be just a brief moment when you can't operate your zoom slider axis. It gives you a small anxiety attack every time :) You need to set your default FOV and maximum FOV to be the same. Today is harder because IC prevents you from modifying the view.lua or server.lua files without falling out of IC. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramstein Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 this auto zooming when you start the sim up sucks so bad, I am happy someone posted it! ASUS Strix Z790-H, i9-13900, WartHog HOTAS and MFG Crosswind G.Skill 64 GB Ram, 2TB SSD EVGA Nvidia RTX 2080-TI 55" Sony OLED TV, Oculus VR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMikeJuliet Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 You can disable it and make it be just a brief moment when you can't operate your zoom slider axis. It gives you a small anxiety attack every time :) You need to set your default FOV and maximum FOV to be the same. Today is harder because IC prevents you from modifying the view.lua or server.lua files without falling out of IC. The fact that the user has to go and fiddle with .lua files or "just tap the zoom button" only goes to say how impractical and useless the zoom-out is. If this is brought up once or twice every year, perhaps we may get rid of it eventually... questionmark? "In the dark future of DCS. . . there is only zoom-out" :D Regards, MikeMikeJuliet DCS Finland | SF squadron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegOhm_SD Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Sorry i must disagree. The most annoying thing i´ve ever seen is this. Thats what alot of time in VR does to you! Good Old Marty! 1 Cooler Master HAF XB EVO , ASUS P8Z77-V, i7-3770K @ 4.6GHz, Noctua AC, 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro, EVGA 1080TI 11GB, 2 Samsung 840 Pro 540GB SSDs Raid 0, 1TB HDD, EVGA SuperNOVA 1300W PS, G930 Wireless SS Headset, TrackIR5/Wireless Proclip, TM Warthog, Saitek Pro Combat Pedals, 75" Samsung 4K QLED, HP Reverb G2, Win 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terminator363 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Funny.. apparently I made up a reason. I figured it kind of like a loading screen and absorb some of the spawn in/stuttering load of the first moments of game play. I think this is true.. Happy Bug Hunting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlidfan Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 I am going to hazard a guess that ED is well aware of what the users think of this. How about instead of fixing it, which I doubt will ever happen, they just explain the rationale behind it? Then we can just discuss how the rationale makes no sense. ;) ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firmek Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Well, yes. It's the second of the most useless and annoying features in DCS. On the other hand, I have to say that if it's such an annoyance then just get it fixed. To be fair, currently available fix is a workaround but it has to be done only once and afterwards you can enjoy DCS without zoom-out effect (with a cost of not being able to zoom out more than default FOV). It’s a compromise but if not possible to be digested then initial zoom out isn’t probably such a big of an issue. Another point is that it's perfectly possible without additional fuss to do the change to be IC green. Just use the server.lua and snap.views placed in user files. I would actually say that modifying the view settings files in DCS game folder is not a correct way to do it. As for the first place for the most annoying feature in DCS... it goes in my opinion to the cockpit view settings being applied from the mission file - especially on MP servers. I mean seriously, I set my FOV, head position, zoom settings to match my monitor or generally in a way that is the most comfortable for me - which no one should really care what the setting is as it's really a personal thing. I go to MP server.... and the in-cockpit view settings of whoever was the author of the MP mission are applied. The only one way to fix it is to request an administrator to manually unzip the mission, remove the in-cockpit view settings, zip the files back and deploy to the server. On top of that it has to be done every time the mission is edited in mission editor. A true, ultimate troll feature... Anyway ED, really, c’mon… there are so many posts about this problem. Why we’re even discussing it. FOV setting is such an obvious feature and an obvious industry standard for pretty much any 3D first person view application that it’s even silly that we have to discuss that and ask to get this issue fixed. F/A-18, F-16, F-14, M-2000C, A-10C, AV-8B, AJS-37 Viggen, F-5E-3, F-86F, MiG-21bis, MiG-15bis, L-39 Albatros, C-101 Aviojet, P-51D, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, Bf 109 4-K, UH-1H, Mi-8, Ka-50, NTTR, Normandy, Persian Gulf... and not enough time to fully enjoy it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMikeJuliet Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I am going to hazard a guess that ED is well aware of what the users think of this. How about instead of fixing it, which I doubt will ever happen, they just explain the rationale behind it? Then we can just discuss how the rationale makes no sense. ;) Strange thing about this whole issue is, that it is infact already fixed... for VR users. There is no FOV-zoomout in any of the VR-headsets, so why should there be on desktop? Regards, MikeMikeJuliet DCS Finland | SF squadron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaelu Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 How about instead of fixing it, which I doubt will ever happen, they just explain the rationale behind it? Maybe someone strangled the original programmer that did it and now everybody is stuck with it and no explanation available. :smartass: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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