ED Team NineLine Posted December 1, 2017 ED Team Share Posted December 1, 2017 Guys, so far I am seeing the same people saying the same things, if you dont have something new to add, or if you have yet to comment here, please do, otherwise we are just clogging up the thread. We cant exact change if its the same 5 people commenting... then it looks like 5 out of the community are unhappy... 1 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonnieRock Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) Eagle Dynamics New DRM Expiration Period Limit Hello Everyone, Please vote what you feel is an acceptable period of time you can be without connectivity and still use DCS World Offline before having to re-verify your account. Please only vote here so we have only numbers compiled to submit to Eagle Dynamics. Please post comments, concerns, addtional suggestion in this thread: IMPORTANT: AV-8B COPY PROTECTION CHANGE! Happy Simming, Monnie Update 1 First off, thank you to everyone that has give a moment of their time to vote :thumbup: Secondly, many requested " none at all " as one of the choices. I knew from the beginning that was not even on the plate. It's not that I forgot about it, I knew it would be a landslide vote and skew the data of the votes. Third, I considered an option of " No DRM Expiration Period Limit for Offline Single Player ". Once again, I knew that would skew the data of the votes. Fourth, If that is really something you feel strong about, " No DRM Expiration Period Limit for Offline Single Player ", you better get off your rear ends, and have you, your squad mates, friends, every DCS user you know make that heard loud and clear in mass numbers:helpsmilie: Once again, thank you to all for taking the time to participate. :thumbup: Update 2 Please post comments, concerns, addtional suggestion in this thread: IMPORTANT: AV-8B COPY PROTECTION CHANGE! Eagle Dynamics Forum Moderation Staff have closed / locked this thread In lieu of Eagle Dynamics Forum Moderation Staff closing / locking that thread, feel free to make your comments in this thread but, please keep it professional and informative. :smilewink: Once again, thank you to everyone participating. :thumbup: Edited December 2, 2017 by MonnieRock Rack Rig: Rosewill RSV-L4000 | Koolance ERM-3K3UC | Xeon E5-1680 v2 @ 4.9ghz w/EK Monoblock | Asus Rampage IV Black Edition | 64GB 2133mhz | SLI TitanXP w/ EK Waterblocks | 2x Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB | Seasonic 1000w Titanium | Windows 10 Pro 64bit | TM Warthog HOTAS w/40cm Extension | MFG Crosswind Rudders | Obutto R3volution | HP Reverb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Viper Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) Is this a poll? Edit: Ok, options have now appeared. Voted. Edited December 1, 2017 by 159th_Viper Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Maybe the Steam Offline Mode would be something to look for as a general idea about how to solve playing without internet connection. Maybe ED could adapt that System for DCS. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mue Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 We cant exact change if its the same 5 people commenting... then it looks like 5 out of the community are unhappy... Maybe most users didn't see the danger of this drm schema: With it, ED has full control of the software. They can easily revoke your license to use the software in the future. And there is nothing you can do about it (besides taking legal steps). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 1, 2017 ED Team Share Posted December 1, 2017 Maybe the Steam Offline Mode would be something to look for as a general idea about how to solve playing without internet connection. Steam is a hub for hundreds of games, its going to be handled slightly different than what ED does, and even Steams offline mode can be affected by individual games DRMs. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 I know. But is something to think about, adapted to ED needs. I think an offline Mode is the way to go " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 1, 2017 ED Team Share Posted December 1, 2017 Maybe most users didn't see the danger of this drm schema: With it, ED has full control of the software. They can easily revoke your license to use the software in the future. And there is nothing you can do about it (besides taking legal steps). I am sure they could do that with Starforce as well if wanted to. ED isnt out to steal your software back, wouldnt help them make money in the future... Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 1, 2017 ED Team Share Posted December 1, 2017 I know. But is something to think about, adapted to ED needs. Yup, i brought up Steam yesterday morning to ED when this discussion began. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Thanks for the replies Sith. 1 " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlidfan Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 With it, ED has full control of the software. They can easily revoke your license to use the software in the future. And there is nothing you can do about it (besides taking legal steps). Actually, the terms of the EULA already give them that. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mue Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 I am sure they could do that with Starforce as well if wanted to. Really? How, if I keep my computer disconnected from the internet after activation of the software? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 1, 2017 ED Team Share Posted December 1, 2017 Really? How, if I keep my computer disconnected from the internet after activation of the software? I am sure you could try and hide out, not updater or get anything new, but they could revoke your key if they needed to. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnuke Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) Let me say it was better to tell beforehand what the purchase was gonna be with the harrier :) A complete surprise I wasn't handed a licensekey to signify a unique trade. Buying an unique license key gives you control to redeem or not. Buying a license of softwarecopy means a trade (with a trade over the counter I believe). Now this accountbased acces to software is different as you were never in control in the exchange, its a deal you need to accept beforehand. I mean when I bought the module I expected a trade so I could control what to do with the license. Instead without asking no unique license was bound to my account I think and being controlled with ''spyagent'' to turn it off seemingly. Without visibly seeing no key it could be seen as sharing of software by the form of acces behind the ED wall. Not to annoy everyone but the harrier is great :) Edited December 1, 2017 by Cnuke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Viper Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 I mean when I bought the module I expected a trade so I could control what to do with the license..... The EULA specifically states that the module you are licence is non-transferable. As such, even if Starforce Proactive was still applicable to your module purchase, you could never control what you did with it, apart from keep it for yourself or terminate your licence and destroy the software. Fine-print is a bugger :) Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mue Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 I am sure you could try and hide out, not updater or get anything new, but they could revoke your key if they needed to. Can anyone confirm that StarForce in DCS uses "Periodic license confirmation"? And what is the confirmation intervall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlidfan Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Can anyone confirm that StarForce in DCS uses "Periodic license confirmation"? And what is the confirmation intervall? I have asked this as well, with no response. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 1, 2017 ED Team Share Posted December 1, 2017 Can anyone confirm that StarForce in DCS uses "Periodic license confirmation"? And what is the confirmation intervall? I think I remember someone saying it was monthly. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Just wanted to weigh in on the debate regarding the new copy protection. I play DCS on a laptop that I take with me while I’m at work. I get to play on my time off (at work). As you can imagine, there is fairly limited play time available. Often times, I’m in places where internet is limited or even completely blocked (i.e. China). Unfortunately, I do not have the option of playing on a desktop. Many times I do not touch the laptop for weeks. I understand there is a need to have these protections in place in order to protect ED’s interest. I’ve been ‘happy’ with StarForce since it never bothered me or limited my access to the software. I feel that, with this new system, things are going to change and not for the better. I know my situation is a-typical. However, I’d be very annoyed if my, already limited, play-time is now effectively reduced to zero due to copy protection rules. Surely, there must be a better way. I know there is (and don’t call me Shirley )... "It's not the years, honey. It's the mileage..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckle Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Johnny you have been very vocal and have passed your thoughts on for ED which is great, but you seem to be trying to be alarmist now. ED are not trying to stop you from playing, personally think you are being ridiculous now. ED have and will listen to the feedback and adjust it how they think will be best all round. He's not being alarmist, that's exactly how I feel too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 1, 2017 ED Team Share Posted December 1, 2017 He's not being alarmist, that's exactly how I feel too. It doesnt mean it is not alarmist. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonnieRock Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) Please participate in my poll Hello Everyone Please participate in my Poll! Vote what you feel is an acceptable period of time you can be without connectivity and still use DCS World Offline before having to re-verify your account. Please only vote there so we have only raw numbers compiled to sumit to Eagle Dynamics. Not a thread full of comments. Save comments for this thread My Poll: Poll Eagle Dynamics New DRM Expiration Period Limit Happy Simming, Monnie Edited December 1, 2017 by MonnieRock Rack Rig: Rosewill RSV-L4000 | Koolance ERM-3K3UC | Xeon E5-1680 v2 @ 4.9ghz w/EK Monoblock | Asus Rampage IV Black Edition | 64GB 2133mhz | SLI TitanXP w/ EK Waterblocks | 2x Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB | Seasonic 1000w Titanium | Windows 10 Pro 64bit | TM Warthog HOTAS w/40cm Extension | MFG Crosswind Rudders | Obutto R3volution | HP Reverb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc_neo Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Maybe add the option 'When updating the game'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_sukebe Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Please add the option of NEVER. System: 9700, 64GB DDR4, 2070S, NVME2, Rift S, Jetseat, Thrustmaster F18 grip, VPC T50 stick base and throttle, CH Throttle, MFG crosswinds, custom button box, Logitech G502 and Marble mouse. Server: i5 2500@3.9Ghz, 1080, 24GB DDR3, SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 1, 2017 ED Team Share Posted December 1, 2017 Please add the option of NEVER. Why, that isnt an option for ED, otherwise protection isnt needed at all. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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