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I dunno about that statement, an acrobatic aircraft with all the power that a FM in DCS could bring, would be exciting,

 

An FM in DCS is nothing special since the dev team can make any FM they want and call it an EFM, which means nothing. ED/DCS has not control over the FM being produced by the dev team. DCS is open ended in that regard which means a bad FM is just as possible as a good one.


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I dont mind you guys making the CE2, but i do mind that our lovely mig is not finished and receives no more attention :cry:

 

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An FM in DCS is nothing special since the dev team can make any FM they want and call it an EFM, which means nothing. ED/DCS has not control over the FM being produced by the dev team. DCS is open ended in that regard which means a bad FM is just as possible as a good one.

 

Actually as far as I know checks have been put in place to verify FMs now. Each 3D Party dev should know what level their FM is, and they shouldn't state it any differently than how ED grades them.

 

EFM means external Flight Model, which means the Flight model was created outside of ED studios. So it does mean something. As stated above, the 3rd Party should state at what level their EFM is at.

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Actually as far as I know checks have been put in place to verify FMs now.

 

Interesting. How does that work?

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Interesting. How does that work?

 

Not my area of expertise, but I do believe the teams are required to submit charts and tests from their FM compared to that of their real world counterpart.

 

This post was made sometime ago, and I believe it has evolved greatly since then. I recently saw such a report for a module, it's impressive and hurt my head a little :)

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=127280

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Thanks. However, I have never seen a certification document, from ED, for any module that ensures that these tests have been done. Take, for example, the many FM iterations that the Mig-21 has undergone. It is impossible that all of them could pass this testing regimen, given how much they have deviated from each other with regard to performance. Is this test done for every patch/update?

 

The above mentioned curves must be obtained using in-game flight tests or (that is easier) results of in-vitro calculation tool with addition of several points from in-game tests to prove the calculations. In this case all used math must be shown. All in-game tests must be conducted with constant fuel amount, excluding the case when the real-time test used for comparison was not recalculated for constant mass.

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Thanks. However, I have never seen a certification document, from ED, for any module that ensures that these tests have been done. Take, for example, the many FM iterations that the Mig-21 has undergone. It is impossible that all of them could pass this testing regimen, given how much they have deviated from each other with regard to performance. Is this test done for every patch/update?

 

I dont know the nitty gritty of it, I dont think these documents are shared with the public, most would probably have data they dont want to be let out. It's possible the MiG-21 isnt certified yet if it is still being changed so much. But I am unsure, that would be better for the Devs to comment on.

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Thanks. However, I have never seen a certification document, from ED, for any module that ensures that these tests have been done. Take, for example, the many FM iterations that the Mig-21 has undergone. It is impossible that all of them could pass this testing regimen, given how much they have deviated from each other with regard to performance. Is this test done for every patch/update?

 

This document is from 2014, Razbam M2000 achieved "released" status this year with such serious issues with FM that I really doubt these test were made, at least not on the final version.

 

 

BTW, guys, hate to be grammar nazi, but:

 

Acrobatics:

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Aerobatics:

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Thanks. However, I have never seen a certification document, from ED, for any module that ensures that these tests have been done. Take, for example, the many FM iterations that the Mig-21 has undergone. It is impossible that all of them could pass this testing regimen, given how much they have deviated from each other with regard to performance. Is this test done for every patch/update?

 

The only thing I have to go off here, are the IRL pilots Ive talked to, including pilots that (use to be) on that other forum you like to visit so much cichlidfan, they always preferred DCS to all the other sims FM's, are they perfect? possibly no, do they feel more real. Yes, is the team passionate about getting it mature, polished and as good as they can? Yes, from what I can see over the years.

 

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BTW, guys, hate to be grammar nazi, but:

 

I think in english you have this separation. In other languages is "Air Acrobatics"...

 

french - acrobaties aériennes

italian - acrobatica aerea

spanish - acrobacia aérea

portuguese - acrobacias aéreas

romanian :P - acrobatie aeriana

 

etc

 

basically aerobatics is just a shortening of the expression.


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Even in English the term acrobatics is being used. See FAA regulations part 23.3.

 

http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part23-3-FAR.shtml

 

It's not English, it's 'Murican :D

 

But since it is in official documents, I'm good with that :)

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As the owner of a Pitts S1S and a regular aerobatic competitor, I wish you well with the Eagle. It is a nice machine. Nothing like a Pitts of course, but nice!:D

 

Aerobatics is my passion. Flight sims are a hobby. I have found that attempting to mix the two to be a big fat failure. Flight sims, and DCS in particular, do an amazing job mimicking flight smack in the middle of the envelope where 99% of pilots spend 100% of their time but they do a horrible job of modeling flight in the nether regions, areas of stalled and reversed airflow. Most of competition aerobatics is spent here. As a test bed to improve this situation, I see the Eagle as an excellent choice. I am certain that I am not the only DCS user who has actually flown it. It's commonality makes real world comparisons easy to get. The risk is that it will only serve to highlight how weak DCS can be. No one here flies a Bf109 so any doubt can be explained away. That luxury will not exist for the Eagle.

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You guys have my full support as well. Question and probably already know the answer. Being that there are no crazy systems to model such as weapons, military avionics ect..... will these aircraft be developed at a faster pace since I do not forsee the civilian side of aviation being as hard to gain rights too?

 

I am by far no developer or have any clue the time dedicated to developing one of these modules, but logic would say it appears the hardest barrier for devs in the recent past is more advance avionics and systems for the military birds they are desiging. Either way, you got my money. Been flying since I was a kid. If you develop something that will get off the ground and is realistic to its real life counter part, I will buy it. Keep up the good work gents.

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So, what’s next; a car, a motorcycle, a boat; maybe the space shuttle?

 

 

What about gliders? Schempp Hirth’s Arcus M/E; immediate buy! Really nice for FAC…

https://www.schempp-hirth.com/en/sailplanes/arcus/arcus-e.html

 

 

… now seriously; people come here for the ‘military/combat’ aspect…

 

 

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So, what’s next; a car, a motorcycle, a boat; maybe the space shuttle?

What about gliders? Schempp Hirth’s Arcus M/E; immediate buy! Really nice for FAC…

https://www.schempp-hirth.com/en/sailplanes/arcus/arcus-e.html

… now seriously; people come here for the ‘military/combat’ aspect…

Kind regards,

Xanix

 

you left out dirigibles... ;)

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I don't like to be negative but the Christian Eagle has no link to the military. Nada.

 

The Yak that is coming was used by the military so just about sneaks in but only just.

 

The Christain Eagle is taking the C out of DCS and I know it is being sold on the premise of not diverting resources but it is a worry to what direction the sim is going in.

 

Are we to expect more non combat aircraft as it would only be fair for other third parties and ED to develop them as they are alot more simple are thus alot more profitable?

 

The door is being opened and I suppose the Christian Eagle will test the water for this type of module.

 

I have alot of modules and have supported new releases as I want to support DCS and see the development of interesting military aircraft in a realistic enviroment.

 

I wont be buying as I do not want to see the sim go in this direction.

 

 

I look forward to seeing and supporting LLC on their next miltary release and update of the mig21.


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I feel like this is a repeat of when the P-51 got announced and many people wanted a modern aircraft only environment and were upset that ED was developing a warbird instead of something modern. Yet it has evolved into a seperate WWII theatre where people who enjoy WWII units can play DCS level aircraft there, and the profit generated from such a thing has helped ED to bring us the Hornet I'm sure.

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