Kusch Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Enjoy http://www.eskadra.net/ Gallery: http://www.eskadra.net/d-galeria.htm Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Groove Posted January 26, 2007 ED Team Share Posted January 26, 2007 Dzieki :D Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nscode Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Great cockpit shots Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusch Posted January 26, 2007 Author Share Posted January 26, 2007 Great cockpit shots Su-22M4 detail pics, autor "dd1968" http://rapidshare.com/files/8917831/su-22.rar.html Part two Su-22UM3K http://rapidshare.com/files/9245068/su-22um3.rar.html Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpm1 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Nice site . One of my preferred planes SU-25 missions [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Groove Posted January 26, 2007 ED Team Share Posted January 26, 2007 Damn, i thought the cockpit description would be polish. Its all russian ! :( Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nscode Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Yes, but you get tooltips if you move your finger over a switch Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusch Posted January 27, 2007 Author Share Posted January 27, 2007 http://www.12blot.pl/strona/modules.php?name=Album&file=kat&kateg=Loty Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBot Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Very nice site! Too bad I can't read anything, looks interesting. But the pictures are great :) I always had a sweet spot for the Su-17/22. In many way it is a similar plane as the Su-25, but with much better performance. Same weapons, and I think the earlyer Su-17 also had the same avionics as the Su-25 ( later Su-17/22 additionaly have a TV display for Kh-29T ). I think of the Fitter as a Frog with afterburner :) I once read that the west for a long time smiled about the Fitter, thinking of it as a old design not much better than the Su-9. Only when the wall has fallen the west realised what a superb fighter-bomber the east would have send against them if things got hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesystem Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 But i don't think that the fitter can carry as much weapons as the frog, same for battle damage? not sure though.....don;t know much about the fitter. I just like it:music_whistling: DCS World, A10C, AV8B, M2k, FA18C, FC3, MIG21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBot Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Don't know if the payload thing is so important. The Su-25 in Afghanistan usualy didn't carry more than 4x S-24 or 4x FAB-250 ( plus fuel tanks ) in order to keep fligh performance up. Im sure the Su-17 can haul that load aswell. In absolute terms the maximum weapons load for the Su-25 is 4400kg and 3500kg for the Su-17. As far as battle damage goes, the Su-25 is for sure superior, altough I heard that the Su-17 is very tough aswell. On the other hand, the Su-17 is alot faster wich should also make it harder to hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RvETito Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 The Su-22 is indeed a great aircraft. The pictures of it's afterburner made me remember what an earthquake is makes when passes over. I first saw it in airshow in 1997 and in 2002 for the last time. In 2005 our Air Force grounded all the fleet(18 Su-22M4 and 3 Su-22UM3) for good along with the MiG-23MLD and the MiG-23BN a couple of years earlier. Pretty stupid actions but that's what the politcs are for... Untill when the Polish Air Force is planning to use them Kusch? "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesystem Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Sounds stupid.... The Su-25 can go slower? i think? because of the wing? So it could aim better when shooting ground targets? Just i thought thou...don't know if it is true, just my thought DCS World, A10C, AV8B, M2k, FA18C, FC3, MIG21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nscode Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Maybe it can... but IRL it doesn't. You want to be in and out as fast as you can. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RvETito Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 The war teather is the key. The Su-22 has had serious troubles in the high mountain valeys in Afghanistan where maneuverability is extremely important. Initialy it has been intended to operate in Europe where the terrain is flat mostly but in the Afghan mountains the high speed hasn't been of any good use when it has had to identify and attack a sread group of few mojaheds. The experience with the Su-22 in Afghanistan has a huge impact over the Su-25's developement and when the Frogfoot has entered the action it has totaly replaced the Su-22 in CAS role. The last version Su-22M4 has much better avionics and cockpit ergonomy than the Su-25. It's strength is in the role of tactical bomber and recon a/c. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBot Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 For the large scale war in europe the Su-17 was indeed the better aircraft, that is why so few Su-25 were actualy stationed there. It is kind of interesting, if there wouldn't have been the asymetric war in Afghanistan, the Su-25 programm could be called a failure. The Su-25s intended role - Shturmovik type ground support - has been sucessfully taken over be the Mi-24 even before the Frog was fielded. And in the attack role the Su-17 is the superior aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusch Posted January 27, 2007 Author Share Posted January 27, 2007 Su-17 over Afganistan Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zycore Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Cool site and pictures Good Job! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Abit IS7-E2 MB P4 3.06 GHZ Prescott Hyper Threading CPU 800Mhz FSB 2 Gigs Corasir XMS DDR2 Dual Chanel Ram Geforce 7800 GS CO 256MB DDR3 AGP 8X Video Card Forceware Driver 93.71 11/2/06 Audigy 4 Sound Card 500W Coller masters PSU Logitech Extreme 3D pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBot Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Wow Kusch, these must be two rare photos ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpm1 Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 The SU-25 and the SU-22 can t be compared it s two different and complementary planes . SU-25 missions [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zycore Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 It would be nice if the Polish Su22 was added as one of the flyable planes for LOMAC/Flaming Cliffs. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Abit IS7-E2 MB P4 3.06 GHZ Prescott Hyper Threading CPU 800Mhz FSB 2 Gigs Corasir XMS DDR2 Dual Chanel Ram Geforce 7800 GS CO 256MB DDR3 AGP 8X Video Card Forceware Driver 93.71 11/2/06 Audigy 4 Sound Card 500W Coller masters PSU Logitech Extreme 3D pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusch Posted January 28, 2007 Author Share Posted January 28, 2007 More "Tiger" and "Hog" Fitters http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?&aircraftsearch=Sukhoi%20Su-22UM-3K&nr_of_rows=112&first_this_page=0&page_limit=60&sort_order=views+DESC&nr_pages=2&thumbnails=noinfo http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?&aircraftsearch=Sukhoi%20Su-22M-4&nr_of_rows=312&first_this_page=0&page_limit=60&sort_order=views+DESC&nr_pages=6&thumbnails=noinfo Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szymon81 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 sorry to dig up this old thread.. in an old air forces monthly magazine (mid 90's) there was a photo of a polish AF Su-20. these are no longer in use i am assuming? were they used in the same role as the su-22's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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