Goa Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Hi guys so about the well known issue of 2.2, has ED fixed the problem of massive fps drop with MSAA on/deferred shading on? CPU : Intel i7 8700k@5.0ghz cooled by Noctua NH-D15 / Motherboard:Asorck Z370 Taichi / RAM: 32GB GSkill TridentZ @3600mhz / SSD: 500GB Nvme Samsung 970 evo+1 TB Sabrent Nvme M2 / GPU:Asus Strix OC 2080TI / Monitor: LG 34KG950F Ultrawide / Trackir 5 proclip/ VIRPIL CM2 BASE + CM2 GRIP + F148 GRIP + 200M EXTENSION /VKB T-Rudder MKIV rudder /Case: Fractal Design R6 Define black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Hi guys so about the well known issue of 2.2, has ED fixed the problem of massive fps drop with MSAA on/deferred shading on? No it's the same as 2.2 was, I turn MSAA off and use Reshade's SMAA.fx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate--IRL-- Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 ^^^ that s new to me - could I ask for link Mustang? Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburne Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 No it's the same as 2.2 was, I turn MSAA off and use Reshade's SMAA.fx. Too bad, that is not an option for the VR users... Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Sure you can download the latest version from here https://reshade.me/ Too bad, that is not an option for the VR users... Yeah I guess it's because Reshade uses a dxgi.dll hook in order to function, something that VR devices cannot work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburne Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Well I was able to get "acceptable" VR Performance in Normandy with 2x MSAA, hopefully that will still be the case with 2.5. No MSAA in VR is not very pretty. Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goa Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 Sure you can download the latest version from here https://reshade.me/ Yeah I guess it's because Reshade uses a dxgi.dll hook in order to function, something that VR devices cannot work with. hi thanks mate I'am already using reshade, so what are your settings ? Msaa off in game, and AF also off? CPU : Intel i7 8700k@5.0ghz cooled by Noctua NH-D15 / Motherboard:Asorck Z370 Taichi / RAM: 32GB GSkill TridentZ @3600mhz / SSD: 500GB Nvme Samsung 970 evo+1 TB Sabrent Nvme M2 / GPU:Asus Strix OC 2080TI / Monitor: LG 34KG950F Ultrawide / Trackir 5 proclip/ VIRPIL CM2 BASE + CM2 GRIP + F148 GRIP + 200M EXTENSION /VKB T-Rudder MKIV rudder /Case: Fractal Design R6 Define black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 No it's the same as 2.2 was, I turn MSAA off and use Reshade's SMAA.fx. Too bad, that is not an option for the VR users... This :cry: Well I was able to get "acceptable" VR Performance in Normandy with 2x MSAA, hopefully that will still be the case with 2.5. No MSAA in VR is not very pretty. I was running 2x or 4x in 2.2 on NTTR, I suppose I will start with 2x and work my way up. VR Cockpit (link): Custom Throttletek F/A-18C Throttle w/ Hall Sensors + Otto switches | Slaw Device RX Viper Pedals w/ Damper | VPC T-50 Base + 15cm Black Sahaj Extension + TM Hornet or Warthog Grip | Super Warthog Wheel Stand Pro | Steelcase Leap V2 + JetSeat SE VR Rig: Pimax 5K+ | ASUS ROG Strix 1080Ti | Intel i7-9700K | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master | Corsair H115i RGB Platinum | 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3200 | Dell U3415W Curved 3440x1440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boedha68 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Well I was able to get "acceptable" VR Performance in Normandy with 2x MSAA, hopefully that will still be the case with 2.5. No MSAA in VR is not very pretty. Well i think i learned to live with it! :D New system:I9-9900KS, Kingston 128 GB DDR4 3200Mhz, MSI RTX 4090, Corsair H150 Pro RGB, 2xSamsung 970 EVO 2Tb, 2xsamsung 970 EVO 1 TB, Scandisk m2 500 MB, 2 x Crucial 1 Tb, T16000M HOTAS, HP Reverb Professional 2, Corsair 750 Watt. Old system:I7-4770K(OC 4.5Ghz), Kingston 24 GB DDR3 1600 Mhz,MSI RTX 2080(OC 2070 Mhz), 2 * 500 GB SSD, 3,5 TB HDD, 55' Samsung 3d tv, Trackir 5, Logitech HD Cam, T16000M HOTAS. All DCS modules, maps and campaigns:pilotfly: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precog Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Bummer... I was really hoping this would be fixed Check out my 'real world' video series [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron886 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I had read somewhere on this forum that it may be due to the fact that ED has to bake their own MSAA implementation into their engine because of the deferred rendering. The implication being that ED's implementation is slow but could be made faster. Anyone know if that's true? Maybe they could implement one of FXAA/SMAA/MLAA in post to reduce render times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack McCoy Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Well I was able to get "acceptable" VR Performance in Normandy with 2x MSAA, hopefully that will still be the case with 2.5. No MSAA in VR is not very pretty. Why use MSAA in VR? Go to the VR tab and set pixel resolution (over sampling) to 1.3 to 1.5. This will have a similar effect to MSAA. Note: Your 2D screenshots will be affected from the lack of MSAA. i7-7700K@4.8GHz, 16Gb-3200, GTX-1080Ti-Strix-11Gb, Maximus IX Hero, Oculus Rift, Thrustmaster Warthog+F/A-18C, Logitech G940 Pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram0506 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Why use MSAA in VR? Go to the VR tab and set pixel resolution (over sampling) to 1.3 to 1.5. This will have a similar effect to MSAA. Note: Your 2D screenshots will be affected from the lack of MSAA. I still have heavy flickering without MSAA in VR, even if I set pixel density to 2.0. Selecting MSAA 2X is helping, but still not very satisfying and performance is suffering. Getting MSAA to 4X would be great, but nearly impossible for my rig. We need some kind of AA for VR! I7 6700K, Asus Z170 Pro Gaming, EVGA GTX1080Ti SC, 32GB DDR4 @ 3000, Win10 64, BenQ EW3270ZL 2560x1440, VPC WarBRD Base + TM Warthog Grip, TM Warthog Throttle, MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals, Oculus Rift S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wedge_one Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 You can also use your GPU FXAA through the Control Panel instead of using ReShade. I'm not sure if it's less expensive than ReShade, but it's a lot less than MSAA. ¬ wedge Wishlist: DCS: F-16C wedgeDCS - Modern Custom CSS themes for the Forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemoen Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Reshade and the control panel AA doesn't work for VR unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughlb Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 So what should our settings look like in the NVidia profile? Can someone post a screenshot | Windows 10 | I7 4790K @ 4.4ghz | Asus PG348Q | Asus Strix 1080TI | 16GB Corsair Vengeance 2400 DDR3 | Asrock Fatal1ty Z97 | Samsung EVO 850 500GB (x2) | SanDisk 240GB Extreme Pro | Coolermaster Vanguard S 650Watt 80+ | Fractal Design R4 | VirPil T-50 | MFG Crosswind Graphite | KW-908 JetSeat Sim Edition | TrackIR 5 | [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dax Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 A solution is proposed here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3371295 Didn't try it yet, but will do asap. Intel Core i7 6700K@4.7GHz, Asus Sabertooth Z170 Mark1, 16Gb Kingston DDR4 2800MHz, Asus Geforce GTX1080, SSD Sandisk Extreme Pro 250Gb, Seagate 2Tb, TM Hotas Warthog, Ch Pro Pedals, TrackIr 4, Oculus Rift CV1 & Rift S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invisibull Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 No it's the same as 2.2 was, I turn MSAA off and use Reshade's SMAA.fx. Hi Mustang - Mind sharing your SMAA Reshade settings? i9 9900k - GTX 2080 Ti - MSI Z87 GD65 Mobo - 64GB HyperX Predator RGB DDR4 3200MHz - Win10 64 bit - TM Warthog w FSSB R3 mod - TrackIr 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alieneye Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Hi Mustang - Mind sharing your SMAA Reshade settings? Just enable FXAA & SMAA in Re.shade. Default settings are ok. YouTube || Copycats - technology and product clones (primarily aviation) || dgrigoriev.com SPECS: i7 8700K (OK 5GHz), 2xGTX 3080ti, 64GB RAM, 1Tb SSD, WIN 10, 2560x1440, Oculus Rift CV1 || TM Warthog, TIR5, MFG Crosswind pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katdog 5.0 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 In VR, I tried Deferred Shading with a 1.0 Pixel Density , 2xSMAA, 2xAF. with pleasing results --solid 90fps being the key for me. Perhaps a low baseline for 90fps with my setup . Deferred shading is a real killer. but The eye candy is absolutely stunning Also had DefShading with 1.5 PD in 2.2 0xsmaa and 0x/2x AF running nicely 90fps Nellis either that or HDR with 16x AF 1.5 PD 90fps and say good bye to sunsets and shadows and colors and epicness i7-6700k @ 4.69Ghz / 1080GTX +10% / MSI z270 Gaming M7 / Oculus CV1 VR / 16GB DDR4 2850Hz / Corsair H100i v2 / CH Products Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invisibull Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Just enable FXAA & SMAA in Re.shade. Default settings are ok. I've tried that and it flickers too much for my liking. i9 9900k - GTX 2080 Ti - MSI Z87 GD65 Mobo - 64GB HyperX Predator RGB DDR4 3200MHz - Win10 64 bit - TM Warthog w FSSB R3 mod - TrackIr 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealius Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 How does Re.shade interact with NVIDIA settings? Should those be off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Hi Mustang - Mind sharing your SMAA Reshade settings? I use SMAA.fx and Deband.fx: SMAA.fx: Luminance Edge Detection 0.000 : Edge Detection Threshold 98 : Max Search Steps 16 : Max Search Steps Diagonal 0 : Corner Rounding 0.001 : Predication Threshold 0.600 : Predication Scale 0.400 : Predication Strength Deband.fx: 0.004 : Cut Off Threshold 16.000 : Initial Radius 1 : Iterations 0.006 : Additional Noise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goa Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 I use SMAA.fx and Deband.fx: SMAA.fx: Luminance Edge Detection 0.000 : Edge Detection Threshold 98 : Max Search Steps 16 : Max Search Steps Diagonal 0 : Corner Rounding 0.001 : Predication Threshold 0.600 : Predication Scale 0.400 : Predication Strength Deband.fx: 0.004 : Cut Off Threshold 16.000 : Initial Radius 1 : Iterations 0.006 : Additional Noise hi, i am running lates resahde version (jsut downloaded it today) but my settings for SMAA.fx ends at "corner roundig", i dont have the option of predication thresold/scale/strenght, where can i adjust these settings? Thanks! CPU : Intel i7 8700k@5.0ghz cooled by Noctua NH-D15 / Motherboard:Asorck Z370 Taichi / RAM: 32GB GSkill TridentZ @3600mhz / SSD: 500GB Nvme Samsung 970 evo+1 TB Sabrent Nvme M2 / GPU:Asus Strix OC 2080TI / Monitor: LG 34KG950F Ultrawide / Trackir 5 proclip/ VIRPIL CM2 BASE + CM2 GRIP + F148 GRIP + 200M EXTENSION /VKB T-Rudder MKIV rudder /Case: Fractal Design R6 Define black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goa Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 Just enable FXAA & SMAA in Re.shade. Default settings are ok. NOTHINg changed with smaa and fxaa enabled in reshade...i see no difference at all with them on or of...:music_whistling: CPU : Intel i7 8700k@5.0ghz cooled by Noctua NH-D15 / Motherboard:Asorck Z370 Taichi / RAM: 32GB GSkill TridentZ @3600mhz / SSD: 500GB Nvme Samsung 970 evo+1 TB Sabrent Nvme M2 / GPU:Asus Strix OC 2080TI / Monitor: LG 34KG950F Ultrawide / Trackir 5 proclip/ VIRPIL CM2 BASE + CM2 GRIP + F148 GRIP + 200M EXTENSION /VKB T-Rudder MKIV rudder /Case: Fractal Design R6 Define black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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