CoBlue Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) 2.5 OB. The new FLIR, can't see terrain differences, cities, airports, carrier clearly etc. Same with NVG, can't see much & very mushy. Also why so small FOV, only 1 eye? Before I could do night missions & carrier VTOL landings comfortably, now not so anymore, my SA is very bad at night :(. See picks. Edited February 2, 2018 by CoBlue i7 8700k@4.7, 1080ti, DDR4 32GB, 2x SSD , HD 2TB, W10, ASUS 27", TrackIr5, TMWH, X-56, GProR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge55 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Can't help with the FLIR image but I can say that the monocular view using the NVG is correct, the old oval shape was wrong. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] i7 10700K OC 5.1GHZ / 500GB SSD & 1TB M:2 & 4TB HDD / MSI Gaming MB / GTX 1080 / 32GB RAM / Win 10 / TrackIR 4 Pro / CH Pedals / TM Warthog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry.R Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 The NVG images look spot on. It's a dark place out there without moon light or cultral lighting to provide a light source. Low millilux levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al531246 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 This is called realism. Intel i5-8600k | EVGA RTX 3070 | Windows 10 | 32GB RAM @3600 MHz | 500 GB Samsung 850 SSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoBlue Posted February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted February 3, 2018 (edited) RL NVG & FLIR (see picks). As of now you can't even see the LHA ship with NVG's. Edited February 4, 2018 by CoBlue i7 8700k@4.7, 1080ti, DDR4 32GB, 2x SSD , HD 2TB, W10, ASUS 27", TrackIr5, TMWH, X-56, GProR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman1330 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 (edited) I believe I have the same problem with the NAVFLIR, both on screen and projected on the HUD. In white hot, it's just black with a few white dots for buildings, etc - terrain is not distinguishable. Black hot is the opposite, just a washed out green HUD. It's not useable for its intended purpose right now (navigating low level). 2.5 OB, DS on, 8xMSAA. Haven't tried without DS or MSAA yet... *Edit - Definitely due to deferred shading. Without DS on, it works as intended. Edited February 6, 2018 by Sandman1330 Ryzen 7 5800X3D / Asus Crosshair VI Hero X370 / Corsair H110i / Sapphire Nitro+ 6800XT / 32Gb G.Skill TridentZ 3200 / Samsung 980 Pro M.2 / Virpil Warbrd base + VFX and TM grips / Virpil CM3 Throttle / Saitek Pro Combat pedals / Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealius Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 I've tried the FLIR in the HUD once with deferred shading on. It killed my frame rates and there was literally no difference between ground and sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmidtfire Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 It is probably a gamma issue. Make sure not to drop slider below 2.0 and you should be fine. DCS looks better at lower gamma values, but penalty is a darker cockpit and also darker MFD's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman1330 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) Ah jeez, anything higher than 1.5 and everything is waaaay to washed out... I'll try 2.0 and see what happens, but I don't like the graphical look of it. Edit: Just tried it, even gamma all the way up to 3.5 doesn't fix the problem. Edited February 7, 2018 by Sandman1330 Ryzen 7 5800X3D / Asus Crosshair VI Hero X370 / Corsair H110i / Sapphire Nitro+ 6800XT / 32Gb G.Skill TridentZ 3200 / Samsung 980 Pro M.2 / Virpil Warbrd base + VFX and TM grips / Virpil CM3 Throttle / Saitek Pro Combat pedals / Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrustvector Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 rather than start a new thread, my flir is almost black, well very dark green, its impossible to use, my gamma is 2.1, if I go any higher itl be like flying in a snow storm :), this only came in the 2.5 build, so I guess its that? D. shader is on on that's the best way, a fix by release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldur Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 It is probably a gamma issue. Make sure not to drop slider below 2.0 and you should be fine. DCS looks better at lower gamma values, but penalty is a darker cockpit and also darker MFD's. Definately. I'm not having these issues and my Gamma is at 2.8 which is roughly the same as setting it to 1.6 in the nV controls for the old versions. That means the default 2.2 value actually is like 1.0 everywhere else. Don't reduce it unless you'd do that as well in other cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrustvector Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 well I'm not sure it is gamma, as no matter how high you go all it does is wash everything out, plus its fine in other modules, such as A-10c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikey Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 There is a relation to gamma, but it's not dark due to gamma alone. The default daytime "washed out" look, is around the 2.0 mark, most people bring it down to 1.3 or 1.4 to get some nice contrast. BUT at night, it's advisable to ramp the gamma back up, the lighting seems inconsistent. FLIR is seemingly very dark still, and I have problems with using it in 2.5 ___________________________________________________________________________ SIMPLE SCENERY SAVING * SIMPLE GROUP SAVING * SIMPLE STATIC SAVING * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrustvector Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 but should we really need to mess with gamma on each plane? surely we need a constant? and all planes work on that, then if we have a dark monitor,poor eyes etc we can change a bit from there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warthog_Farmer Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 In VR the NVGs are near useless as anything in cockpit (except HUD) is a blurry mess. It appears in VR the NVGs occupy 100% of the screen where as monitor users have the green circle but can see everything else around it unamplified/blurred. I am also wondering if VR users are the only ones suffering with NAVFLIR issues. Next time I’m on I plan on trying with and without my Rift on, and with and without Deferred Shading on. It’s pretty much unusable at night in VR in its current state due to not being granted ‘the green circle’. I’m not sure the blurring of the intstrument panel is intentional (perhaps too close to focus the HMD) or not - but either this effect needs removed for VR users or we are granted the circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 I noticed that the FLIR of the Harrier is kind of depending on your angle. If you pitch a bit down, you can clearly see all the outlines of the trees. If you pitch a bit up, you can only see a black surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper175 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 2.2 gamma and ambient light aka moon light solved the problem.for me.in 2.5 it's glorious Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk I7-8700 @5GHZ, 32GB 3000MHZ RAM, 1080TI, Rift S, ODYSSEY +. SSD DRIVES, WIN10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warthog_Farmer Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Perhaps gamma setting is the issue. I’ll try it when I finish work tonight. Mines is set at 1.5 iirc. Anything higher makes daylight ops a very washed out affair. As for my point about VR NVGs making the cockpit unusable - this will continue to be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper175 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 You have to set gamma separate fromyour day settings once I did that night is much better plus set the dates for full moons also Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk I7-8700 @5GHZ, 32GB 3000MHZ RAM, 1080TI, Rift S, ODYSSEY +. SSD DRIVES, WIN10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephyrius Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Using the standard gamma setting (2.2 I believe) I don't have any significant issues with the FLIR brightness. Causes a bit of an FPS drop to use the HUD-FLIR, but that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNETRO Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Same here Hi to all, I have the same issue, with DS on I cannot use the FLIR to navigate or designate target, and as you can tune of the NVG I cannot read the instruments. Attached, you can see what I get with or without DS. Moreover, you can notice that without the DS the NVG are not round. My gamma setting is 2.2. B/R ASUS ROG STRIX X299-E, i7-7820X, DDR4-64 Go (2660 MHz), 2 x TITAN Xp (SLI), SSD M-2 960 EVO 1 To, Win10 Pro 64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper175 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Works fine for me at 2.2 gamma and I recommend having moon light until ds is tweaked a bit Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk I7-8700 @5GHZ, 32GB 3000MHZ RAM, 1080TI, Rift S, ODYSSEY +. SSD DRIVES, WIN10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNETRO Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) Pics ? Works fine for me at 2.2 gamma and I recommend having moon light until ds is tweaked a bit Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk I am happy that it works for you. My pics were taken from the mission "pinpoint bombing night", it begins at dusk, so I did not change any setting from the mission planning. I shall be interested by some pics, heading to WP1 at low level, from you, so that I can compare. Thanks. Edited February 13, 2018 by CNETRO ASUS ROG STRIX X299-E, i7-7820X, DDR4-64 Go (2660 MHz), 2 x TITAN Xp (SLI), SSD M-2 960 EVO 1 To, Win10 Pro 64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus67 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2.5 OB. The new FLIR, can't see terrain differences, cities, airports, carrier clearly etc. Same with NVG, can't see much & very mushy. Also why so small FOV, only 1 eye? Before I could do night missions & carrier VTOL landings comfortably, now not so anymore, my SA is very bad at night :(. See picks. We don't have control on how the NVG or FLIR show their displays. However we will talk with ED and see if there is any new parameter that we can use. BTW. NVGs are light intensifiers, they intensify ambient light to show something. They do not show heat sources. If the ambient light is poor, the resulting display will be poor as well. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper175 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Zeus thanks for repl but like you said nvgs are not a magic bullet. I think the flir can tuned better once we can change gain levels if that's even a thing on the harrier. Either way I think folks need to get use to the new realism factor. Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk I7-8700 @5GHZ, 32GB 3000MHZ RAM, 1080TI, Rift S, ODYSSEY +. SSD DRIVES, WIN10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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