Bl00dWolf Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Задам вопрос. Как на J-11 и нашем МиГ-29С с Р-77 понять, когда Р-77 перешла в активный режим? Для меня это всегда загадкой было. i9 13900k 5.5Ghz; ASUS TUF RTX 3090 OC 24GB; 64GB ddr5 6400mhz cl30; 7 Tb SSD NVMe; 2Tb HDD; 20Tb NAS ZFS RAID1; LG 34GN850 3440x1440 160hz IPS; Hotas Warthog + VPC ACE Flight Rudder Pedals; TrackIR5; Quest3; DX3 Pro+ and HiFiMan Edition XS MacBook PRO 16' 2023 M3 Max (14cpu-30gpu), DDR5 36Gb, 1Tb + 2Tb 990PRO Ext Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Интуитивно. Индикации соответствующей нет Не смеют крылья черные над Родиной летать... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyMPAK Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 В реале, думаю, по секундомеру Iniquissimam pacem justissimo bello anteferro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glimmer Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Задам вопрос. Как на J-11 и нашем МиГ-29С с Р-77 понять, когда Р-77 перешла в активный режим? Для меня это всегда загадкой было. В DCS - шоу интуиция. В реале - а хрен его знает. Су-27 Flanker | Су-30 Flanker-C | Су-33 Flanker-D | Су-34 Fullback | Су-24 Fencer | МиГ-29 Fulcrum | F-14A/B/D Tomcat | F/A-18C/D Hornet | F/A-18E/F Super Hornet | F-16C Fighting Falcon | F-15C Eagle | Eurofighter Typhoon | Tornado IDS | JAS-39 Gripen | AJ/JA(S)-37 Viggen | Rafale | M-2000 Mirage | Mirage F1 Ka-52 Hokum | Mi-28N Havoc | Mi-35M Hind | Mi-24P Hind | AH-64D Apache | AH-1W SuperCobra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ночной_Филин Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 В DCS - шоу интуиция. В реале - а хрен его знает. На Р-ках обратный отсчет идет, до попадания. Скрытый текст Win 11, intel i9-14900K, NVIDIA RTX 4090 (24GB), 64 GB RAM, ASUS 2560x1440 + (3х1024х768), VPC Joy 3*Panels Пока не наступит завтра, ты не поймёшь, как хорошо было сегодня. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glimmer Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 На Р-ках обратный отсчет идет, до попадания. У Р-77 или только старой доброй Р-27? Я не помню уже xD Су-27 Flanker | Су-30 Flanker-C | Су-33 Flanker-D | Су-34 Fullback | Су-24 Fencer | МиГ-29 Fulcrum | F-14A/B/D Tomcat | F/A-18C/D Hornet | F/A-18E/F Super Hornet | F-16C Fighting Falcon | F-15C Eagle | Eurofighter Typhoon | Tornado IDS | JAS-39 Gripen | AJ/JA(S)-37 Viggen | Rafale | M-2000 Mirage | Mirage F1 Ka-52 Hokum | Mi-28N Havoc | Mi-35M Hind | Mi-24P Hind | AH-64D Apache | AH-1W SuperCobra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ночной_Филин Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 У Р-77 или только старой доброй Р-27? Я не помню уже xD У 77-й не знаю. Скрытый текст Win 11, intel i9-14900K, NVIDIA RTX 4090 (24GB), 64 GB RAM, ASUS 2560x1440 + (3х1024х768), VPC Joy 3*Panels Пока не наступит завтра, ты не поймёшь, как хорошо было сегодня. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bl00dWolf Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Понял, спасибо. А то думаю то ли я глупенький, то ли рили индикации не на миге, не на 11ом нет. i9 13900k 5.5Ghz; ASUS TUF RTX 3090 OC 24GB; 64GB ddr5 6400mhz cl30; 7 Tb SSD NVMe; 2Tb HDD; 20Tb NAS ZFS RAID1; LG 34GN850 3440x1440 160hz IPS; Hotas Warthog + VPC ACE Flight Rudder Pedals; TrackIR5; Quest3; DX3 Pro+ and HiFiMan Edition XS MacBook PRO 16' 2023 M3 Max (14cpu-30gpu), DDR5 36Gb, 1Tb + 2Tb 990PRO Ext Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demidrol Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 А как сейчас распространяется J-11A? Мне почему то казалось, что он идет в пакете FC3. Но сейчас проверил описание FC3 на сайте и там никаких упоминаний о китайце не нашел. При создании миссии его и вовсе нет в перечне ЛА. В подфоруме Деки пишут, что теперь он доступен только для тех, у кого отдельно приобретен модуль Су-27, это так? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Chizh Posted June 23, 2020 ED Team Share Posted June 23, 2020 J-11 идет в комплекте с модулем Су-27. Единственный урок, который можно извлечь из истории, состоит в том, что люди не извлекают из истории никаких уроков. (С) Джордж Бернард Шоу Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJQCN101 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Задам вопрос. Как на J-11 и нашем МиГ-29С с Р-77 понять, когда Р-77 перешла в активный режим? Для меня это всегда загадкой было. In real life this bar will flash if missile go active. EFM / FCS developer, Deka Ironwork Simulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Лесник Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 А почему в DCS такого нет? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glimmer Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 [ATTACH]240765[/ATTACH] In real life this bar will flash if missile go active. Interesting, from which aircraft (and modification) this photo is? Су-27 Flanker | Су-30 Flanker-C | Су-33 Flanker-D | Су-34 Fullback | Су-24 Fencer | МиГ-29 Fulcrum | F-14A/B/D Tomcat | F/A-18C/D Hornet | F/A-18E/F Super Hornet | F-16C Fighting Falcon | F-15C Eagle | Eurofighter Typhoon | Tornado IDS | JAS-39 Gripen | AJ/JA(S)-37 Viggen | Rafale | M-2000 Mirage | Mirage F1 Ka-52 Hokum | Mi-28N Havoc | Mi-35M Hind | Mi-24P Hind | AH-64D Apache | AH-1W SuperCobra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJQCN101 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Interesting, from which aircraft (and modification) this photo is? Taken from an Youtube video just for illustration: The description of this bar can be seen in Su-27SK manual, and also J-11A & Su-30Mkk Chinese manual in real life. EFM / FCS developer, Deka Ironwork Simulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glimmer Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Taken from an Youtube video just for illustration: The description of this bar can be seen in Su-27SK manual, and also J-11A & Su-30Mkk Chinese manual in real life. It's indicator for Time on Impact, it has nothing to do with active seeker of any missile (R-77). Su-27SK Manual page 193. + it's wrote on your picture lol And yea, it's missed in some reason. Су-27 Flanker | Су-30 Flanker-C | Су-33 Flanker-D | Су-34 Fullback | Су-24 Fencer | МиГ-29 Fulcrum | F-14A/B/D Tomcat | F/A-18C/D Hornet | F/A-18E/F Super Hornet | F-16C Fighting Falcon | F-15C Eagle | Eurofighter Typhoon | Tornado IDS | JAS-39 Gripen | AJ/JA(S)-37 Viggen | Rafale | M-2000 Mirage | Mirage F1 Ka-52 Hokum | Mi-28N Havoc | Mi-35M Hind | Mi-24P Hind | AH-64D Apache | AH-1W SuperCobra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJQCN101 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 It's indicator for Time on Impact, it has nothing to do with active seeker of any missile (R-77). Su-27SK Manual page 193. And yea, it's missed in some reason. The flashing part is not in 27SK manual. It's in the Chinese J-11A & SU-30Mkk manual. + I wrote this on the picture. EFM / FCS developer, Deka Ironwork Simulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glimmer Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 The flashing part is not in 27SK manual. It's in the Chinese J-11A & SU-30Mkk manual. I don't have access to both ones so, everything is possible. :) But in 27SK it's just TOI + I wrote this on the picture. Where? Yellow circle with comments in Russian? Су-27 Flanker | Су-30 Flanker-C | Су-33 Flanker-D | Су-34 Fullback | Су-24 Fencer | МиГ-29 Fulcrum | F-14A/B/D Tomcat | F/A-18C/D Hornet | F/A-18E/F Super Hornet | F-16C Fighting Falcon | F-15C Eagle | Eurofighter Typhoon | Tornado IDS | JAS-39 Gripen | AJ/JA(S)-37 Viggen | Rafale | M-2000 Mirage | Mirage F1 Ka-52 Hokum | Mi-28N Havoc | Mi-35M Hind | Mi-24P Hind | AH-64D Apache | AH-1W SuperCobra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJQCN101 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 I don't have access to both ones so, everything is possible. :) But in 27SK it's just TOI Well, you may see one if a full-fidelity SU-30 or something actually got released (one day hopefully). Yes in 27SK it's just TOI. Where? Yellow circle with comments in Russian? Yes. EFM / FCS developer, Deka Ironwork Simulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glimmer Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) Yes. No matter I think just I didn't get your message fully at start :D Well, you may see one if a full-fidelity SU-30 or something actually got released (one day hopefully). I hope too, will be happy to see even Su-30 from KNAAZ thread with weak avionic (Su-30MKK). :( But it's mostly not Russian one, export (except couple decades of Su-30M2). Su-30SM - best Su-30 8) (except TPOD ofc :D ) Anyway, LJQCN101, your company still plans to update J-11A avionic with MFD-55 and another stuff? What's about datalink final status? UPD: and as I understand you didn't plan to make full clickable version. Here in Russia we have a problems with classified information, so don't think so we will get any Russian version of any Russian modern aircraft so you have a chance to make first clickable Flanker ever I think... (sadly for me a bit ofc, but if we don't have another way, why not :D ) Edited June 23, 2020 by Glimmer Су-27 Flanker | Су-30 Flanker-C | Су-33 Flanker-D | Су-34 Fullback | Су-24 Fencer | МиГ-29 Fulcrum | F-14A/B/D Tomcat | F/A-18C/D Hornet | F/A-18E/F Super Hornet | F-16C Fighting Falcon | F-15C Eagle | Eurofighter Typhoon | Tornado IDS | JAS-39 Gripen | AJ/JA(S)-37 Viggen | Rafale | M-2000 Mirage | Mirage F1 Ka-52 Hokum | Mi-28N Havoc | Mi-35M Hind | Mi-24P Hind | AH-64D Apache | AH-1W SuperCobra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJQCN101 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Anyway, LJQCN101, your company still plans to update J-11A avionic with MFD-55 and another stuff? What's about datalink final status? UPD: and as I understand you didn't plan to make full clickable version. Here in Russia we have a problems with classified information, so don't think so we will get any Russian version of any Russian modern aircraft so you have a chance to make first clickable Flanker ever I think... (sadly for me a bit ofc, but if we don't have another way, why not :D ) I think we're about to discuss the next step. I can check back to you in the near future. EFM / FCS developer, Deka Ironwork Simulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glimmer Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 I think we're about to discuss the next step. I can check back to you in the near future. Would be interesting ^-^ Су-27 Flanker | Су-30 Flanker-C | Су-33 Flanker-D | Су-34 Fullback | Су-24 Fencer | МиГ-29 Fulcrum | F-14A/B/D Tomcat | F/A-18C/D Hornet | F/A-18E/F Super Hornet | F-16C Fighting Falcon | F-15C Eagle | Eurofighter Typhoon | Tornado IDS | JAS-39 Gripen | AJ/JA(S)-37 Viggen | Rafale | M-2000 Mirage | Mirage F1 Ka-52 Hokum | Mi-28N Havoc | Mi-35M Hind | Mi-24P Hind | AH-64D Apache | AH-1W SuperCobra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Chizh Posted June 23, 2020 ED Team Share Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) [ATTACH]240765[/ATTACH] In real life this bar will flash if missile go active. No. It is just progress bar from 1 to 60 seconds, the time limit of electric power supply device of R-27 missile. That is just lifetime of the missile. If after this time the target is still alive, then the missile missed. Edited June 23, 2020 by Chizh Единственный урок, который можно извлечь из истории, состоит в том, что люди не извлекают из истории никаких уроков. (С) Джордж Бернард Шоу Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJQCN101 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) No. It is just progress bar from 1 to 60 seconds, the time limit of electric power supply device of R-27 missile. That is just lifetime of the missile. If after this time the target is still alive, then the missile missed. I know, it appears after a Ат_t_10 command is generated, and has a maximum length of 4 cm (60 sec). Besides, if you’re firing an R-77, it will flash when the missile go active, at least in J-11A and Su-30MKK. Edited June 24, 2020 by LJQCN101 EFM / FCS developer, Deka Ironwork Simulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time 83 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Это получается это электронный пуск и даже дальности можно увидеть ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSX Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Стесняюсь спросить - а почему ДРЛО передаёт инфу на J-11 в футах? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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