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I will be keeping my current motherboard (see sig for full specs) and will try capitalize on the better memory controller from the new chip and my ultra fast 4266 Mhz RAM Kits (yes I know I wont hit nearly that mark). I hope 3600Mhz can be achieved.

 

Anyway, I already got word from the store 5 minutes after preorder that my chip can be picked up. So in the morning Ill be fetching it.

 

Will spend the afternoon making a bunch of benchmarks along with DCS and will post the results here.

 

Lets how the faster memory speeds and lower latency works out for DCS.

 

Tests to be conducted:

DCS

Mechwarrior online

Star Citizen Alpha 3.1

3D mark

Cinebench R15

AIDA 64

 

 

UPDATE:

 

Test Setup:

 

Ryzen 1700X @3.9Ghz +32GB RAM 3200 CL16 CR=2T

Ryzen 2700X @4.2Ghz+32GB RAM 3600 CL16 CR=1T

(maximum achievable overclocks for 24/7 operation)

 

GFX = MSI 1080Ti Gaming X @ Stock for both configurations.

 

I used DCS high preset with Vsync off and 1440P resolution (I did this because is what most people will do with this hardware).

 

 

attachment.php?attachmentid=182979&stc=1&d=1524418569

 

 

Conclusions:

 

It was DAMN HARD to get consistent results. Specially Star Citizen and MWO.

 

For DCS I discovered the bottleneck shifts between the CPU and GPU depending on the number of objects being displayed. When Las Vegas buildings show up in high numbers its the GPU the limiting factor (99% usage) hence the low difference between the 2 CPU's. Whoever when in sparsely populated areas the CPU kicks in. Minimum FPS went up 16% but maximum was the same, average only changed 2%. Game experience improved due to higher minimums.

 

CPU usage in DCS shifts between 13% and 44% (this means between 2 to 7 fully utilized threads). The GPU can reach 100% usage regardless of the CPU load (not expected). So Ryzen CPU's do not Bottleneck the 1080Ti in DCS.

 

Star citizen and MWO lack optimization.

 

MWO has the GPU at 55% while CPU was at 15%. It was extremely hard to get to similar multiplayer sessions to compare (same map in victory conditions so I could measure the full length of the session taking data). The game appears to MASSIVELY benefit from higher lows and average FPS uplifts but I cannot say if the values presented here are accurate. It does feel better. On the other hand there is alot of untapped power not being harnessed by the games engine.

 

Star Citizen sees CPU usage 36% in flight and 31% in first person mode. GPU was locked at max most of the time.

 

I used Port Olisar in a private session and walked around to the landing pad and recorded FPS.

Vanduul Swarm was recorded by maneuvering the ship around in the broken moon map until fighting starts. The change in CPU has modest benefits but then again the game is not even close to being optimized.


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My PC specs below:

Case: Corsair 400C

PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum

CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T)

RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T

MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4

GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X

Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO

Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red

HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals

Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P

 

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I will be keeping my current motherboard (see sig for full specs) and will try capitalize on the better memory controller from the new chip and my ultra fast 4266 Mhz RAM Kits (yes I know I wont hit nearly that mark). I hope 3600Mhz can be achieved.

 

Anyway, I already got word from the store 5 minutes after preorder that my chip can be picked up. So in the morning Ill be fetching it.

 

Will spend the afternoon making a bunch of benchmarks along with DCS and will post the results here.

 

Lets how the faster memory speeds and lower latency works out for DCS.

 

Tests to be conducted:

DCS

Mechwarrior online

Star Citizen Alpha 3.1

3D mark

Cinebench R15

AIDA 64

Yeah please let us know...i am considering the same (i have a 1700x which i can oc to 3950 stable) but will do it only if there will be a real advantage in DCS also with higher clocks...i am considering to keep my actual motherboard as well.

 

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my 1700 runs the game nice and smooth now @3.9 since i started using process lasso. memory is 3200mhz @ cas14
Which motherboard and Ram do you have?

With latest bios update my ram cab run at 3200mhz but it is not stable...at 2933 i have no crashes at all...

Performance are ok for me now, but in thw future i would like to adopt VR

 

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Went to the store and they confessed I was incorrectly notified my order had arrived. Next thrusday will be the day. Damn. I thought they would sell me one early. Anyway I can take advantage of the time to start benching my original CPU.

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CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T)

RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T

MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4

GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X

Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO

Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red

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Yayaya ! GREAT :)

 

* not the delay, that is a :(

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Which motherboard and Ram do you have?

With latest bios update my ram cab run at 3200mhz but it is not stable...at 2933 i have no crashes at all...

Performance are ok for me now, but in thw future i would like to adopt VR

 

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this is the ram iam using, not tried for higher frequencies but i know people that have 3333mhz stable at cas14 and some people have achieved 3600mhz at cas16.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team-group-dark-pro-8pack-edition-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-pc4-30900c18-3866mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08r-tg.html

 

motherboard is this https://www.overclockers.co.uk/gigabyte-aorus-ga-ax370-gaming-5-amd-x370-socket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-554-gi.html

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Currently benchmarking DCS with the old CPU with last years benchmark track I used to compare with my older 2500K. I already found out something interesting:

 

1-I have observed 99% GPU usage, so you CAN max out the 1080Ti with the 1000 series of Ryzen processors, so no bottlneck in this CPU (I have read otherwise by multiple reviewers) at least not with DCS.

 

2-I have seen the CPU usage highs of 44%-50% (most times drops to 14%-30%). Thats the equivalent or almost 8 full cores used with another 8 available.

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My PC specs below:

Case: Corsair 400C

PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum

CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T)

RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T

MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4

GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X

Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO

Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red

HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals

Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P

 

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Thanks for keeping us up to date!

 

I have also found I can max out my 1080ti in 2.5 by ramping up visibility radius and MSAA, but I do find a CPU bottleneck at lower graphics settings. I seem to cap at 45fps in VR (ASW off), even on lowest settings. I therefore have gone as high on graphics settings as possible while keeping 45fps in order to maximize both CPU and GPU.

 

I look forward to your benchmarks for the 2700X!

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Currently benchmarking DCS with the old CPU with last years benchmark track I used to compare with my older 2500K. I already found out something interesting:

 

1-I have observed 99% GPU usage, so you CAN max out the 1080Ti with the 1000 series of Ryzen processors, so no bottlneck in this CPU (I have read otherwise by multiple reviewers) at least not with DCS.

 

2-I have seen the CPU usage highs of 44%-50% (most times drops to 14%-30%). Thats the equivalent or almost 8 full cores used with another 8 available.

 

naaahhhh....if you can tilt the Ti is linked to resolution and LOD.

 

I bet we couldnt at lowest res and LOD but easily can at 4k and ALL high/extreme.

 

It really matters how you have tuned it.

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naaahhhh....if you can tilt the Ti is linked to resolution and LOD.

 

I bet we couldnt at lowest res and LOD but easily can at 4k and ALL high/extreme.

 

It really matters how you have tuned it.

 

Im using the high detail preset with VSYNC off. Same test I did last year when I built this machine VS the 2500K.

 

There was a change with either GFX or CPU change. Hope to show this tomorrow when I finish benchmarking the 2700X. Im done with the 1700X and will be deactivating DCS modules now, as Im about the change the CPU's.


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My PC specs below:

Case: Corsair 400C

PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum

CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T)

RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T

MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4

GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X

Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO

Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red

HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals

Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P

 

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That was on 1700X.

 

I just installed the new CPU, It's running stock and just had time to make a first run on cinebench. :)

 

Scored 1806 in multi, and 176 in single (versus 1730/162). It will boost to 4340 Mhz in single, 4290 in dual and 3940 with all 8 cores. It seems the thing boosts same as advertised on the X470! I'm happy. I left voltage on auto (bios says 1.46 but Hwinfo64 says 1.3V under load on all 8 cores). Max temp was 63º. The 1700X was into the high 70's when overclocked at 3900Mhz (note: stock has higher clocks but cooler on the new CPU!)

 

I will post pictures on the synthetics in a couple of hours.


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My PC specs below:

Case: Corsair 400C

PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum

CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T)

RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T

MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4

GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X

Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO

Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red

HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals

Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P

 

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People are arguing that all over the net. They say its the 2700 that is worth to be overclocked to 2700X levels, and that the 2700X should be left alone.

 

However there are people who are reaching Cinebench 1900+multi and 180 in single. Me wants that. :D

 

I am testing the memory overclock for now. Burning in 32GB at 3400Mhz. Fingers crossed.

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My PC specs below:

Case: Corsair 400C

PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum

CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T)

RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T

MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4

GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X

Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO

Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red

HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals

Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P

 

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That was on 1700X.

 

I just installed the new CPU, It's running stock and just had time to make a first run on cinebench. :)

 

Scored 1806 in multi, and 176 in single (versus 1730/162). It will boost to 4340 Mhz in single, 4290 in dual and 3940 with all 8 cores. It seems the thing boosts same as advertised on the X470! I'm happy. I left voltage on auto (bios says 1.46 but Hwinfo64 says 1.3V under load on all 8 cores). Max temp was 63º. The 1700X was into the high 70's when overclocked at 3900Mhz (note: stock has higher clocks but cooler on the new CPU!)

 

I will post pictures on the synthetics in a couple of hours.

Did you use Ryzen Master to disable cores?

 

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No, I always use manual overclock in BIOS with all 8 cores. Why would I disable cores?

 

Also, just finished stability testing and I managed to get 3400Mhz stable CL 14 1T with 32 GB of RAM. The new memory controller is MUCH better. My earlier 1700x could only handle 3200 CL 16 2T (that chip was also a bit of a dud compared to what others were getting).


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My PC specs below:

Case: Corsair 400C

PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum

CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T)

RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T

MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4

GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X

Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO

Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red

HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals

Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P

 

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No, I always use manual overclock in BIOS with all 8 cores. Why would I disable cores?

 

Also, just finished stability testing and I managed to get 3400Mhz stable CL 14 1T with 32 GB of RAM. The new memory controller is MUCH better. My earlier 1700x could only handle 3200 CL 16 2T (that chip was also a bit of a dud compared to what others were getting).

 

No, I always use manual overclock in BIOS with all 8 cores. Why would I disable cores?

 

Also, just finished stability testing and I managed to get 3400Mhz stable CL 14 1T with 32 GB of RAM. The new memory controller is MUCH better. My earlier 1700x could only handle 3200 CL 16 2T (that chip was also a bit of a dud compared to what others were getting).

 

So you were talking about xfr before?i did not understand what you mean when you write

 

"It will boost to 4340 Mhz in single, 4290 in dual and 3940 with all 8 cores"

 

I tought you were talking about having only 1/2 core active

 

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OK, maybe I was not clear. My bad. Yes, the CPU is at stock, I began with memory to know where the ballpark is before messing with the CPU.

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My PC specs below:

Case: Corsair 400C

PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum

CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T)

RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T

MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4

GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X

Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO

Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red

HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals

Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P

 

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OK Guys Results are in.

 

Test Setup:

 

Ryzen 1700X @3.9Ghz +32GB RAM 3200 CL16 CR=2T

Ryzen 2700X @4.2Ghz+32GB RAM 3600 CL16 CR=1T

(maximum achievable overclocks for 24/7 operation)

 

GFX = MSI 1080Ti Gaming X @ Stock for both configurations.

 

I used DCS high preset with Vsync off and 1440P resolution (I did this because is what most people will do with this hardware).

 

 

attachment.php?attachmentid=182979&stc=1&d=1524418569

 

 

Conclusions:

 

It was DAMN HARD to get consistent results. Specially Star Citizen and MWO.

 

For DCS I discovered the bottleneck shifts between the CPU and GPU depending on the number of objects being displayed. When Las Vegas buildings show up in high numbers its the GPU the limiting factor (99% usage) hence the low difference between the 2 CPU's. Whoever when in sparsely populated areas the CPU kicks in. Minimum FPS went up 16% but maximum was the same, average only changed 2%. Game experience improved due to higher minimums.

 

CPU usage in DCS shifts between 13% and 44% (this means between 2 to 7 fully utilized threads). The GPU can reach 100% usage regardless of the CPU load (not expected). So Ryzen CPU's do not Bottleneck the 1080Ti in DCS.

 

Star citizen and MWO lack optimization.

 

MWO has the GPU at 55% while CPU was at 15%. It was extremely hard to get to similar multiplayer sessions to compare (same map in victory conditions so I could measure the full length of the session taking data). The game appears to MASSIVELY benefit from higher lows and average FPS uplifts but I cannot say if the values presented here are accurate. It does feel better. On the other hand there is alot of untapped power not being harnessed by the games engine.

 

Star Citizen sees CPU usage 36% in flight and 31% in first person mode. GPU was locked at max most of the time.

 

I used Port Olisar in a private session and walked around to the landing pad and recorded FPS.

Vanduul Swarm was recorded by maneuvering the ship around in the broken moon map until fighting starts. The change in CPU has modest benefits but then again the game is not even close to being optimized.

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My PC specs below:

Case: Corsair 400C

PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum

CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T)

RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T

MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4

GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X

Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO

Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red

HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals

Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P

 

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As I expected, nothing, really nothing speaks against those Ryzen's for DCS.

 

Actually, it should be preferred over Intel's overpriced TIM-BS core series with overpriced boards.

 

 

Well done Pilotasso, I appreciate the detailed work:thumbup:

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Thanks Pilotasso! Are both results at max overclock? (4.0 vs 4.2)?

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