ED Team NineLine Posted September 24, 2020 ED Team Share Posted September 24, 2020 Honestly, having all female voices also doesn't change much, and I'm male, but I start to see problems when I see requests like the female driver's body with even hair! I think these requests are sexist, that they have nothing to do with a flying enthusiast but have more to do with a kind of narcissistic procurement or just a boorish feminism. If it were up to me this topic should be re-evaluated in its expressiveness. It's amazing to think how many things this sim has to complete and what do you do? do you start arguing about the pilot's body? It's great that you felt so strongly about this to bring back a 2-year-old thread, but share your opinion without insulting others' opinions, it is possible. Please try. Thanks. 1 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weta43 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Honestly, having all female voices also doesn't change much, and I'm male, but I start to see problems when I see requests like the female driver's body with even hair! I think these requests are sexist, that they have nothing to do with a flying enthusiast but have more to do with a kind of narcissistic procurement or just a boorish feminism. If it were up to me this topic should be re-evaluated in its expressiveness. It's amazing to think how many things this sim has to complete and what do you do? do you start arguing about the pilot's body? You necroed 2 threads in the same day so you could whinge about people wanting representation in the game ? Interesting priorities indeed. It's long past time E.D. should have done this - It's not difficult, it's not even PC or a sign of being a 'SJW', it just reflects real life... Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tspencer227 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 You necroed 2 threads in the same day so you could whinge about people wanting representation in the game ? Interesting priorities indeed. It's long past time E.D. should have done this - It's not difficult, it's not even PC or a sign of being a 'SJW', it just reflects real life... THIS I present exhibit A (filmed in 2006): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freelancer2011 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Awesome! Brought a smile to my face! I do miss a bit of Shania tunes, these days, too!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven (Elysian Angel) Posted September 25, 2020 Author Share Posted September 25, 2020 Oooh thanks for sharing: I hadn't seen that one yet :thumbup: /happydance 1 Spoiler Ryzen 9 5900X | 64GB G.Skill TridentZ 3600 | Gigabyte RX6900XT | ASUS ROG Strix X570-E GAMING | Samsung 990Pro 2TB + 960Pro 1TB NMVe | HP Reverb G2 Pro Flight Trainer Puma | VIRPIL MT-50CM2+3 base / CM2 x2 grip with 200 mm S-curve extension + CM3 throttle + CP2/3 + FSSB R3L + VPC Rotor TCS Plus base with SharKa-50 grip mounted on Monstertech MFC-1 | TPR rudder pedals OpenXR | PD 1.0 | 100% render resolution | DCS "HIGH" preset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansangb Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 THIS I present exhibit A (filmed in 2006): Hey, that was worth the necro, no? What a great video. But to his point (the guy that necro'ed this thread) body representation, male or female should be low on the priority list. In the words of Shania, bodies in DCS? "that don't impress me much" hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Exulte Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Hey, that was worth the necro, no? What a great video. But to his point (the guy that necro'ed this thread) body representation, male or female should be low on the priority list. In the words of Shania, bodies in DCS? "that don't impress me much" What, proving that men don't have a monopoly on crappy music videos? Де вороги, знайдуться козаки їх перемогти. 5800x3d * 3090 * 64gb * Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcwoolery Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 :pilotfly: Sure a choice of male or female pilot ? Do you play DCS ? your focus seems to be elsewhere. While I agree its kind of a buzz kill... especially all that reading and inferring. Since I cannot see you i will take your word for it that you are female. Should I ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weta43 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 :pilotfly: Sure a choice of male or female pilot ? Do you play DCS ? your focus seems to be elsewhere. While I agree its kind of a buzz kill... especially all that reading and inferring. Since I cannot see you i will take your word for it that you are female. Should I ? This ^ isn't in any way addressing the issue, it's just casting shade on the OP. The issue hasn't changed across all the 2.5 years since this thread (,or all the other threads on the subject) was started. I think E.D. could probably get the voices for free if they asked for volunteers, and it would be a day's work for E.D. to set up female voices for their own aircraft (Change the code from pick between Russian / NATO to pick from Russian male, Russian female, NATO male, NATO female, make 2 duplicate folders with the voices, and and batch copy the relevant files.) Other developers could then either follow suit, or sit with the status quo - have the entry.lua define if there are 2 or 4 sets of voices. Why not ? It's less work than MP multi-crew, and there are probably an order of magnitude more women playing than MP players that would regularly use multi-crew. Seriously - leaving aside not wanting to give in to liberals, (& a fear of girl germs) what other serious argument against it has been raised ? Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozon Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 How do you know that the pilot model is male or female? I can’t see a peepee under the flight suit. 1 “Mosquitoes fly, but flies don’t Mosquito” :pilotfly: - Geoffrey de Havilland. ... well, he could have said it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansangb Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) This ^ isn't in any way addressing the issue, it's just casting shade on the OP. The issue hasn't changed across all the 2.5 years since this thread (,or all the other threads on the subject) was started. I think E.D. could probably get the voices for free if they asked for volunteers, and it would be a day's work for E.D. to set up female voices for their own aircraft (Change the code from pick between Russian / NATO to pick from Russian male, Russian female, NATO male, NATO female, make 2 duplicate folders with the voices, and and batch copy the relevant files.) Other developers could then either follow suit, or sit with the status quo - have the entry.lua define if there are 2 or 4 sets of voices. Why not ? It's less work than MP multi-crew, and there are probably an order of magnitude more women playing than MP players that would regularly use multi-crew. Seriously - leaving aside not wanting to give in to liberals, (& a fear of girl germs) what other serious argument against it has been raised ? Could care less about the politics of it. The argument against would be: 0) Improve VR performance 0.1) Bring Vulkan to the beta stage 0.2) New texture update for Huey 1) Huey with MP 2) Cobra 3) Making sure Kiowa works 4) Improve F16 5) Improve F18 6) make sure Normandy map creators follow through on using new tech to update the maps. I understand that representation is important. So I'm not dismissing the ask. But I am dismissing the priority of it. I would say the same thing to someone who demands the correct representation of stars at night time. It's all a matter of priorities. Edited September 29, 2020 by hansangb hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko56 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Get Woke .... go Broke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbot Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 This is a flight simulator not 'The Sims 4'. I couldn't care less about what the pilot looks like, when flying in the cockpit view. 1 1 A-10A, A-10C, A-10C II, AV-8B, F-5E, F-16C, F/A-18C, F-86F, Yak-52, Nevada, Persian Gulf, Syria, Supercarrier, Combined Arms, FW 190 A-8, FW 190 D-9, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, Normandy + WWII Assets Pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Could care less about the politics of it. The argument against would be: 0) Improve VR performance 0.1) Bring Vulkan to the beta stage 0.2) New texture update for Huey 1) Huey with MP 2) Cobra 3) Making sure Kiowa works 4) Improve F16 5) Improve F18 6) make sure Normandy map creators follow through on using new tech to update the maps. I understand that representation is important. So I'm not dismissing the ask. But I am dismissing the priority of it. I would say the same thing to someone who demands the correct representation of stars at night time. It's all a matter of priorities. No one has asked for it to be high priority, including OP 1 Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted September 29, 2020 ED Team Share Posted September 29, 2020 This feature was requested a long time ago, so its something we will look at, nothing really will come of this debate. Thanks 1 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) Right now I'd love to see a more diverse range of voice acting for communications in DCS; it feels very 'attack of the clones' and it should absolutely include female voices. Sticking with English localisation for now: There's only 1 player pilot voice. Having just the one is bad enough, but worse (and something that's personally immersion breaking for me) is that his voice changes depending on what you're asking for; it's different when asking for ground air supply, wheel chocks and when asking to the run the starter. The worst one though is that it's drastically different when talking to aircraft carriers when on approach and landing (at least with the supercarrier module), not only that but to me the voice sounds similar to the tower/airboss voice just a lot deeper, almost as if he's voiced by the same actor speaking through a voice modulator. There's only 1 ATC voice There's only 1 AEW&C aircraft/EWR voice There's only 1 AAR tanker voice There's only 1 JTAC voice There's 4(?) pilot voices for things like wingmen (there might be some more for different countries). There's 1 additional AI pilot voice for when things like tankers and AAR aircraft are passing waypoints or is RTB. For the supercarrier, there's only 1 tower/airboss voice, 1 marshall voice (which is female) and 1 LSO voice. Adding a more diverse range of voice acting can only enhance the experience; it will provide for greater immersion for AI communications (mitigating the 'attack of the clones' vibe I for one get now), and it should absolutely include female voices. Just for reference, the other, F-16 orientated sim, has 10 pilot voices that can be selected by the player, 2 of which are female. When it comes to 3D pilot models however, I'm not sure that having a female one would be very fruitful, as I think this sort of thing would be harder to notice in a lot of cases unless you're specifcially looking for it (with obvious exceptions of course), and personally, I think there are bigger fish to fry here (such as all of the outdated ones long overdue an upgrade to match current standards). I'm not opposed to it by any means (and I'd probably be hard pressed to tell), and if female pilot models are introduced, that's absolutely fine; I just think that as it currently stands the effort is better spent elsewhere, and I'd rather the outdated aircraft, weapons, ground units and ships (in that order) take priority. Edited December 28, 2021 by Northstar98 1 2 Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beirut Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 On 9/29/2020 at 2:01 PM, norbot said: This is a flight simulator not 'The Sims 4'. I couldn't care less about what the pilot looks like, when flying in the cockpit view. True dat, but I'd still like a Black Lab as co-pilot in my Mosquito. Take the seat out and put in a small bed. Really. 1 Some of the planes, but all of the maps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted December 28, 2021 ED Team Share Posted December 28, 2021 Hi all, please read the rules before posting. Social, cultural and political discussion is not welcome here, we have had lots of feedback in this thread already and it has also been necroed from two years ago. I think we are done for now. thanks 1 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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