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Honestly, having all female voices also doesn't change much, and I'm male, but I start to see problems when I see requests like the female driver's body with even hair!

 

I think these requests are sexist, that they have nothing to do with a flying enthusiast but have more to do with a kind of narcissistic procurement or just a boorish feminism.

 

If it were up to me this topic should be re-evaluated in its expressiveness.

It's amazing to think how many things this sim has to complete and what do you do? do you start arguing about the pilot's body?

 

It's great that you felt so strongly about this to bring back a 2-year-old thread, but share your opinion without insulting others' opinions, it is possible. Please try. Thanks.

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Honestly, having all female voices also doesn't change much, and I'm male, but I start to see problems when I see requests like the female driver's body with even hair!

 

I think these requests are sexist, that they have nothing to do with a flying enthusiast but have more to do with a kind of narcissistic procurement or just a boorish feminism.

 

If it were up to me this topic should be re-evaluated in its expressiveness.

It's amazing to think how many things this sim has to complete and what do you do? do you start arguing about the pilot's body?

 

You necroed 2 threads in the same day so you could whinge about people wanting representation in the game ?

 

Interesting priorities indeed.

 

It's long past time E.D. should have done this

- It's not difficult, it's not even PC or a sign of being a 'SJW', it just reflects real life...

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You necroed 2 threads in the same day so you could whinge about people wanting representation in the game ?

 

Interesting priorities indeed.

 

It's long past time E.D. should have done this

- It's not difficult, it's not even PC or a sign of being a 'SJW', it just reflects real life...

 

THIS

 

I present exhibit A (filmed in 2006):

 

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Oooh thanks for sharing: I hadn't seen that one yet :thumbup: /happydance

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THIS

 

I present exhibit A (filmed in 2006):

 

 

 

Hey, that was worth the necro, no? What a great video.

 

But to his point (the guy that necro'ed this thread) body representation, male or female should be low on the priority list. In the words of Shania, bodies in DCS? "that don't impress me much"

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Hey, that was worth the necro, no? What a great video.

 

But to his point (the guy that necro'ed this thread) body representation, male or female should be low on the priority list. In the words of Shania, bodies in DCS? "that don't impress me much"

 

What, proving that men don't have a monopoly on crappy music videos?

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Sure a choice of male or female pilot ? Do you play DCS ? your focus seems to be elsewhere.

While I agree its kind of a buzz kill... especially all that reading and inferring.

 

Since I cannot see you i will take your word for it that you are female. Should I ?

 

 

This ^ isn't in any way addressing the issue, it's just casting shade on the OP.

 

The issue hasn't changed across all the 2.5 years since this thread (,or all the other threads on the subject) was started.

 

I think E.D. could probably get the voices for free if they asked for volunteers, and it would be a day's work for E.D. to set up female voices for their own aircraft (Change the code from pick between Russian / NATO to pick from Russian male, Russian female, NATO male, NATO female, make 2 duplicate folders with the voices, and and batch copy the relevant files.)

Other developers could then either follow suit, or sit with the status quo - have the entry.lua define if there are 2 or 4 sets of voices.

 

Why not ?

It's less work than MP multi-crew, and there are probably an order of magnitude more women playing than MP players that would regularly use multi-crew.

 

Seriously - leaving aside not wanting to give in to liberals, (& a fear of girl germs) what other serious argument against it has been raised ?

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This ^ isn't in any way addressing the issue, it's just casting shade on the OP.

 

The issue hasn't changed across all the 2.5 years since this thread (,or all the other threads on the subject) was started.

 

I think E.D. could probably get the voices for free if they asked for volunteers, and it would be a day's work for E.D. to set up female voices for their own aircraft (Change the code from pick between Russian / NATO to pick from Russian male, Russian female, NATO male, NATO female, make 2 duplicate folders with the voices, and and batch copy the relevant files.)

Other developers could then either follow suit, or sit with the status quo - have the entry.lua define if there are 2 or 4 sets of voices.

 

Why not ?

It's less work than MP multi-crew, and there are probably an order of magnitude more women playing than MP players that would regularly use multi-crew.

 

Seriously - leaving aside not wanting to give in to liberals, (& a fear of girl germs) what other serious argument against it has been raised ?

 

 

Could care less about the politics of it. The argument against would be:

 

0) Improve VR performance

0.1) Bring Vulkan to the beta stage

0.2) New texture update for Huey

1) Huey with MP

2) Cobra

3) Making sure Kiowa works

4) Improve F16

5) Improve F18

6) make sure Normandy map creators follow through on using new tech to update the maps.

 

 

I understand that representation is important. So I'm not dismissing the ask. But I am dismissing the priority of it. I would say the same thing to someone who demands the correct representation of stars at night time. It's all a matter of priorities.


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This is a flight simulator not 'The Sims 4'. I couldn't care less about what the pilot looks like, when flying in the cockpit view.

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Could care less about the politics of it. The argument against would be:

 

0) Improve VR performance

0.1) Bring Vulkan to the beta stage

0.2) New texture update for Huey

1) Huey with MP

2) Cobra

3) Making sure Kiowa works

4) Improve F16

5) Improve F18

6) make sure Normandy map creators follow through on using new tech to update the maps.

 

 

I understand that representation is important. So I'm not dismissing the ask. But I am dismissing the priority of it. I would say the same thing to someone who demands the correct representation of stars at night time. It's all a matter of priorities.

 

No one has asked for it to be high priority, including OP

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Right now I'd love to see a more diverse range of voice acting for communications in DCS; it feels very 'attack of the clones' and it should absolutely include female voices.

Sticking with English localisation for now:

  • There's only 1 player pilot voice. Having just the one is bad enough, but worse (and something that's personally immersion breaking for me) is that his voice changes depending on what you're asking for; it's different when asking for ground air supply, wheel chocks and when asking to the run the starter. The worst one though is that it's drastically different when talking to aircraft carriers when on approach and landing (at least with the supercarrier module), not only that but to me the voice sounds similar to the tower/airboss voice just a lot deeper, almost as if he's voiced by the same actor speaking through a voice modulator.
  • There's only 1 ATC voice
  • There's only 1 AEW&C aircraft/EWR voice
  • There's only 1 AAR tanker voice
  • There's only 1 JTAC voice
  • There's 4(?) pilot voices for things like wingmen (there might be some more for different countries).
  • There's 1 additional AI pilot voice for when things like tankers and AAR aircraft are passing waypoints or is RTB.
  • For the supercarrier, there's only 1 tower/airboss voice, 1 marshall voice (which is female) and 1 LSO voice.

Adding a more diverse range of voice acting can only enhance the experience; it will provide for greater immersion for AI communications (mitigating the 'attack of the clones' vibe I for one get now), and it should absolutely include female voices.

Just for reference, the other, F-16 orientated sim, has 10 pilot voices that can be selected by the player, 2 of which are female.

 

When it comes to 3D pilot models however, I'm not sure that having a female one would be very fruitful, as I think this sort of thing would be harder to notice in a lot of cases unless you're specifcially looking for it (with obvious exceptions of course), and personally, I think there are bigger fish to fry here (such as all of the outdated ones long overdue an upgrade to match current standards).

I'm not opposed to it by any means (and I'd probably be hard pressed to tell), and if female pilot models are introduced, that's absolutely fine; I just think that as it currently stands the effort is better spent elsewhere, and I'd rather the outdated aircraft, weapons, ground units and ships (in that order) take priority.


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On 9/29/2020 at 2:01 PM, norbot said:

This is a flight simulator not 'The Sims 4'. I couldn't care less about what the pilot looks like, when flying in the cockpit view.

 

True dat, but I'd still like a Black Lab as co-pilot in my Mosquito. Take the seat out and put in a small bed.

 

Really. 

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Hi all, 

please read the rules before posting. 

Social, cultural and political discussion is not welcome here, we have had lots of feedback in this thread already and it has also been necroed from two years ago. 

I think we are done for now. 

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