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Played Ossetia earlier. Take the following with a grain of salt as I decided to do so in an F-86 for once, so that probably coloured my experience:

Spotting anyone was thoroughly miserable due to EWR being masked by mountains outside a small area (as in, I couldn't even talk to it over radio, let alone get useful info). SA in general was pretty awful for blue. I can't say for sure, but I have a strong suspicion that the reason they never win this is because the F-14s tend to suicide into the mountains and die to cockroaching 21s and 29s while nobody else can see what's going on.

I almost wonder if it would be worth putting an E-2 a bit north of the mountains, far enough not to instantly die to an R-27, at a reasonably high altitude so it can look down into the valleys a little but more importantly, provide consistent radio contact to blue aircraft. I ended up dipping out early because I was getting frustrated so I don't know who won the mission today, but I could hazard a guess.

More broadly speaking, I think blue's problem there is the same as I'm now seeing elsewhere: they have the best dedicated strike platform of all the Cold War aircraft, but usually only one or two people using them to hit the ground targets, and usually one per target. A flight of 3-4 Viggens forcing their way through to an objective with rockets or bombs should easily clear them, never mind BK 90s or whatever else.

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1 hour ago, Miccara said:

Musings of a fantasy, fighter and Huey pilot.
The A10 appeals to my sense of "get in, kill ground targets, get out"

What's questionable to me is, the A10 has "1,200 pounds of Titanium Armour unlike the Air Force's fighter planes, and is designed to withstand hits from light antiaircraft cannons. An A-10 once returned to base after being hit by a missile." Why does the the A10 in this game go down so easily? It is known as the a 'Flying Tank". Certainly its reputation is earned in battle? It's harder to shoot down Mi24's in the DCS. Really can't be right... is it?
 

 

I can answer this one... the armour is overstated, much like the Hind. It's mostly there to keep the pilot alive and I'm not even sure it shares the Hind's trait of small sections around engines to keep them running. Armouring the entire plane will make it too heavy to fly and too expensive to build, so the armour is there to keep the pilot alive first and maybe allow the plane to RTB. It goes down easily because people know to really commit to killing it, so rather than a bit of small arms or even .50 cal fire, you're being stitched up with 23mm combat mix and missiles.

The gun's reputation is also mostly the work of rumour milling and service rivalries. It's solid against light targets but pretty useless against a tank (or anything that shoots back with bigger shells). The Maverick is its main actual tank/AA killing asset.

For what it's worth, it does often take 2-3 R-60s to kill them. They're definitely tougher than most other things on the server.

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9 hours ago, rossmum said:

Played Ossetia earlier. Take the following with a grain of salt as I decided to do so in an F-86 for once, so that probably coloured my experience:

Spotting anyone was thoroughly miserable due to EWR being masked by mountains outside a small area (as in, I couldn't even talk to it over radio, let alone get useful info). SA in general was pretty awful for blue. I can't say for sure, but I have a strong suspicion that the reason they never win this is because the F-14s tend to suicide into the mountains and die to cockroaching 21s and 29s while nobody else can see what's going on.

I almost wonder if it would be worth putting an E-2 a bit north of the mountains, far enough not to instantly die to an R-27, at a reasonably high altitude so it can look down into the valleys a little but more importantly, provide consistent radio contact to blue aircraft. I ended up dipping out early because I was getting frustrated so I don't know who won the mission today, but I could hazard a guess.

More broadly speaking, I think blue's problem there is the same as I'm now seeing elsewhere: they have the best dedicated strike platform of all the Cold War aircraft, but usually only one or two people using them to hit the ground targets, and usually one per target. A flight of 3-4 Viggens forcing their way through to an objective with rockets or bombs should easily clear them, never mind BK 90s or whatever else.

Which is why Blue has 12 x F-14A's and Red 6 x MiG-29A's "only".

Blue are the attacker, so they need more aircraft, slots and weapons and they have all that already.

Couldn't agree more about the AJS37! I know some are frustrated with me limiting it to 2 air-to-air missiles only, but it really should be doing its thing and you can still get a kill or two if MiG's come near you. I might end up buying the module due to its incredible air-to-ground capabilities. What an aircraft!

The mission had AWACS planes for both sides when it first came out to counter the mountainous terrain. Take a wild guess what happened there! Yup, players on both sides stuck to hunting the AWACS for the entire time of the mission. I added more AWACS planes in case one is lost. At some point, each side had a total of 5 AWACS planes and it was still the same: Who gets the enemy's AWACS first!

The only way to stop that from happening is to either make AWACS immortal, or have MiG-23's/F-4's escorting it. The latter would only give players the incentive to go out on a hunt against MiG-23's/F-4's and their AWACS. Damn! Bad idea...

Immortal AWACS it is then?

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10 hours ago, Miccara said:

Musings of a fantasy, fighter and Huey pilot.
The A10 appeals to my sense of "get in, kill ground targets, get out"

What's questionable to me is, the A10 has "1,200 pounds of Titanium Armour unlike the Air Force's fighter planes, and is designed to withstand hits from light antiaircraft cannons. An A-10 once returned to base after being hit by a missile." Why does the the A10 in this game go down so easily? It is known as the a 'Flying Tank". Certainly its reputation is earned in battle? It's harder to shoot down Mi24's in the DCS. Really can't be right... is it?
 

 

In the real world, aircraft survivability is more a question of redundancy and design than armor. The A-10 is built to be survivable using those principles. Here is a quote regarding the A-10

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Specific survivability features include titanium armor plated cockpit, redundant flight control system separated by fuel tanks, manual reversion mode for flight controls, foam filled fuel tanks, ballistic foam void fillers, and a redundant primary structure providing “get home” capability after being hit.

A video game usually does not faithfully duplicate those features properly. The A-10A in DCS is certainly not programmed anywhere near that standard. The DCS damage model is one of its greatest weaknesses, unfortunately. Maybe someday that will change.

The A-10A seems weaker than it should be and I imagine its because of the simplified damage model. The Mi-24 is super hard to kill with 20mm gunfire so I shoot Aim-9's at them. Perversely, the KA-50 snaps like a twig using 20mm so I gun those. Mig-19's have paper wings so I gun them in the wing root while the Mig-21 soaks up bullets everywhere but the cockpit so I aim for the pilot when gunning them.

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Alpenwolf said:

Which is why Blue has 12 x F-14A's and Red 6 x MiG-29A's "only".

Blue are the attacker, so they need more aircraft, slots and weapons and they have all that already.

Couldn't agree more about the AJS37! I know some are frustrated with me limiting it to 2 air-to-air missiles only, but it really should be doing its thing and you can still get a kill or two if MiG's come near you. I might end up buying the module due to its incredible air-to-ground capabilities. What an aircraft!

The mission had AWACS planes for both sides when it first came out to counter the mountainous terrain. Take a wild guess what happened there! Yup, players on both sides stuck to hunting the AWACS for the entire time of the mission. I added more AWACS planes in case one is lost. At some point, each side had a total of 5 AWACS planes and it was still the same: Who gets the enemy's AWACS first!

The only way to stop that from happening is to either make AWACS immortal, or have MiG-23's/F-4's escorting it. The latter would only give players the incentive to go out on a hunt against MiG-23's/F-4's and their AWACS. Damn! Bad idea...

Immortal AWACS it is then?

One of my favorite features of the Cold War server is the fight is normally easy to find. Ossetia is one of those missions where you fly around in the mountains with no EWR coverage looking for "cockroaches" as rossmum says. 

Immortal AWACS would certainly change that and would fit the time period represented by Mig 29's and F-14's. It would also change the air to air tactics employed. One could script the AWACS to move farther away if enemy air got too close, emulating what the AWACS would do in real life and then resume station when the skies were clear. This would give the ability to influence AWACS coverage without actually shooting it down.

A 35,000 foot AWACS can see a long way so it need not be too close in the first place.

 

 

 

 

 

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vor 5 Stunden schrieb Alpenwolf:

Which is why Blue has 12 x F-14A's and Red 6 x MiG-29A's "only".

Blue are the attacker, so they need more aircraft, slots and weapons and they have all that already.

Couldn't agree more about the AJS37! I know some are frustrated with me limiting it to 2 air-to-air missiles only, but it really should be doing its thing and you can still get a kill or two if MiG's come near you. I might end up buying the module due to its incredible air-to-ground capabilities. What an aircraft!

The mission had AWACS planes for both sides when it first came out to counter the mountainous terrain. Take a wild guess what happened there! Yup, players on both sides stuck to hunting the AWACS for the entire time of the mission. I added more AWACS planes in case one is lost. At some point, each side had a total of 5 AWACS planes and it was still the same: Who gets the enemy's AWACS first!

The only way to stop that from happening is to either make AWACS immortal, or have MiG-23's/F-4's escorting it. The latter would only give players the incentive to go out on a hunt against MiG-23's/F-4's and their AWACS. Damn! Bad idea...

Immortal AWACS it is then?

sidenote:
also because this is the "Cold War Server" - so the pylon limitation for the Viggen, especially if done for fuselage pylons for the RB-24 for represents the AJ-37 Viggen of the Cold War.
The AJS-37 Viggen was a livecycle iteration done after the Cold War more or less representing a "super" model - and we only have AJ(S) variants, otherwise we would have the 30mm in the nose of the Fighter Variants (JA-37) available.
But they are an entirely different airframe, they just look the same.

So again, this is feasible, as it is to have EARLY 29's (A) and F-14s, moreso since we can still hope that next to the EE-Lightning, and maybe one day finally an F-4 that can be made suitable that the full fidelity 29 might be an "A" instead of a "C"(S).

As for the rest.. I am sometimes inclined to shake my head about how persistently people want to ignore the obvious.
The "why" of certain plattforms being used wrong is down to people and the likeliness of their preferences. Where they "come from", where they "go to", what they "think" (or not think rather).

Catering to that in any way shape or form will achieve nothing while eroding the experience environment of the playfield for everyone else.
That would be a mistake, not because I think that (no one cares what I think and no one should) but because that is simply how things are. Not good or bad, not black or white, just "are" by factual discovery. 
Unless popularity, or populism rather is what is to be solely cared about - but then one would have to run honed social media channels catering to the lowest denominator, have a "posse" of fake-friendly fake-concerned guerilla seed proxies and message spin surrogates.
All to seek - as an adult of voting age - the adorment of ones ego by the underage and the intellectually minor.

Which  - unless I am severly mistaken - seems not to be the case.

But should be an admonishment to some of the populace acting willfully, wantingly, selectively ignorant elsewhere achieving nothing but validation of mechanics applied ever since the dawn of time, just in contemporary media tools. 

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vor 12 Stunden schrieb Alpenwolf:

Server is currently offline.

oh all deities of Russian netcode and whatever I need to blood sacrifice too - hopefully not too long.

for some of us "casuals" - this fidelic era scenario provided by a community member for random DCS players like me is the only and sole place we can go to, despite our, or at least my "questionable" competence.

It is also the only place that makes some of us willfully and selectively ignore most aspects of the commercial product provider and the products decade old problems, like a beacon of naive hope or something 😆.


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On 12/4/2021 at 4:20 PM, Ian Boys UK said:

Yep in real life the A-10 has oonly been used where there have been no enemy fighters and a massively weakened AD net. Even then, they've been lost to small SAMs.

A10 is resilient. But its slow. So if he gets in area saturated with AD he will be in trouble. Engines are well armoured and have been known to take a hit and still keep plane in air. I dont think in DCS its weaker then Hind. Tho Hind has some bug issues. Recently rewatching tacview I noticed I took 2-3 stinger hits from avenger. Maybe its proxy fuse issue. But 50cal trashes Hinds systems regularly.


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thanks a lot Alpen for the server and interesting unique missions for all these years, I know creating these missions and hosting servers as well as supporting is a huge effort, I do really appreciate that, the ColdWar server is the only public server I fly, and I don't expect further more.

just to mention but not expectation, if you can add some draw for Friendly/Enemy FARP, Friendly/enemy Armor groups (anything as we should know as briefing).. in the F-10 map so player can see as observer role, would be great, not expect but just if you can.

Thanks again for all the efforts, we were having fun and joy, found new friends in community, many bought coldwar era A/C and had tons of joy in your server for another year.
although it might be soon but who knows about tomorrow, Merry Christmas and Happy new year everyone.  Looking forward into the new year with all of you.
Cheers.

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4 hours ago, =475FG= Dawger said:

I think he is just busy. From what I understand, the server will be back up soon. I think he is just doing some deferred maintenance items during this operational pause. 

He had a new kid so prolly busy on that. BUT HE NEEDS TO COME BACK at some point

 

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Dear Alpen:

I have been a Cold War 1947 - 1991 server user for some time now. I signed up for SRS, Discord, Team Speak and probably a half dozen other things semi-needed to sell my soul to the DCS spirits of Beelzebub. Currently, I am experiencing an inadequacy of service which I had not previously considered. Please allow me to provide specific details, so that you can either pursue your professional prerogative and seek to rectify these difficulties or more likely (I suspect) so that you can have some entertaining reading material as you while away the working day smoking B&H and drinking Starbucks in your office.

My intent to play on Cold War 1947 - 1991 was cancelled without warning, resulting in my spending an entire day sitting on my rear-end waiting for you to revive or at least explain. When this did not happen, I spent a further 57 minutes searching the forums for answers. God, there are some lunatics on the forums. Ungrateful bastards.

I alleviated the boredom by playing with my testicles for a few minutes – an activity with which most of us gaming nerds are no doubt familiar with, and highly adept at. A return to the normally scheduled programming has yet to take place, several days later! This has resulted in a serious state of depression among some faithful. So far, your internet server’s downtime is roughly 100% – the hours between about 6 pm and 6am, Monday through Friday and most likely, the weekend.

I have made 32 calls on my mobile phone to numbers I thought may be yours, based on rumours of your actual name and place of residence. Occasionally believing I had actually reached you on occasion, only to be exposed to a variety of disinterested individuals who are, it seems, highly skilled at verbal assault when awoken at 3:23am.

Doubtless you are no longer reading this letter, as you have at least a thousand other things to do rather than listen to the pratlings of a dissatisfied customer. So before we (the collective 'we' of the followers of Alpen's work) have another of those crucially important testicle moments to attend to, let me rap up.

I thought DCS servers were mostly crap and more importantly, the users were mostly intolerant morons; that they had attained the holy piss-pot of god-awful team spirit and team cooperation; and that no one, anywhere, ever, could be more disinterested, less helpful or more obstructive to delivering quality experiences than the uncommitted amateurs that call themselves "Server Administrators" How surprised I was, when I discovered to my considerable dissatisfaction and disappointment what a useless shower of bastards are on the other servers. They are sputum-filled pieces of distended rectum, incompetents of the highest order. You, you, Alpenwolf, you shine like a brilliant beacon of success in the filthy mire of  seemingly limitless inadequacy. That’s why I chose Cold War 1947 - 1991, that's why WE chose you, Aplen... because, well, there really isn’t anyone else we can turn to in our time of need.

Suffice to say that I have now given up on my futile and foolhardy quest to assuage my grief through random trial and error searches of servers showing similar mission and participant brilliance . I suggest you return the services which you have so pointedly and catastrophically failed to deliver recently.  Excuses will be greeted initially with disbelief but quickly be replaced by derision, and even perhaps bemused rage. I hear Mike-Delta has recalled his old unit and they are currently training in Brussels, for an assault attempt on your home, resulting in a coup regaining control of the COLD WAR server. You don't want that.

Were I an angry man, I would send two small deposits, selected with great care from my cat’s litter tray, as an expression of my utter and complete contempt for this denial of service, but since they would most likely become desiccated during transit (they would be satisfyingly moist at the time of posting though), and I would feel considerable disappointment if you did not experience both the rich aroma and delicate texture. BUT THEY WOULD BE the very embodiment of my feelings towards you during these difficult times.

May you rot in Hell,

Have a nice day.

Miccara


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8 hours ago, Miccara said:

Dear Alpen:

I have been a Cold War 1947 - 1991 server user for some time now. I signed up for SRS, Discord, Team Speak and probably a half dozen other things semi-needed to sell my soul to the DCS spirits of Beelzebub. Currently, I am experiencing an inadequacy of service which I had not previously considered. Please allow me to provide specific details, so that you can either pursue your professional prerogative and seek to rectify these difficulties or more likely (I suspect) so that you can have some entertaining reading material as you while away the working day smoking B&H and drinking Starbucks in your office.

My intent to play on Cold War 1947 - 1991 was cancelled without warning, resulting in my spending an entire day sitting on my rear-end waiting for you to revive or at least explain. When this did not happen, I spent a further 57 minutes searching the forums for answers. God, there are some lunatics on the forums. Ungrateful bastards.

I alleviated the boredom by playing with my testicles for a few minutes – an activity with which most of us gaming nerds are no doubt familiar with, and highly adept at. A return to the normally scheduled programming has yet to take place, several days later! This has resulted in a serious state of depression among some faithful. So far, your internet server’s downtime is roughly 100% – the hours between about 6 pm and 6am, Monday through Friday and most likely, the weekend.

I have made 32 calls on my mobile phone to numbers I thought may be yours, based on rumours of your actual name and place of residence. Occasionally believing I had actually reached you on occasion, only to be exposed to a variety of disinterested individuals who are, it seems, highly skilled at verbal assault when awoken at 3:23am.

Doubtless you are no longer reading this letter, as you have at least a thousand other things to do rather than listen to the pratlings of a dissatisfied customer. So before we (the collective 'we' of the followers of Alpen's work) have another of those crucially important testicle moments to attend to, let me rap up.

I thought DCS servers were mostly crap and more importantly, the users were mostly intolerant morons; that they had attained the holy piss-pot of god-awful team spirit and team cooperation; and that no one, anywhere, ever, could be more disinterested, less helpful or more obstructive to delivering quality experiences than the uncommitted amateurs that call themselves "Server Administrators" How surprised I was, when I discovered to my considerable dissatisfaction and disappointment what a useless shower of bastards are on the other servers. They are sputum-filled pieces of distended rectum, incompetents of the highest order. You, you, Alpenwolf, you shine like a brilliant beacon of success in the filthy mire of  seemingly limitless inadequacy. That’s why I chose Cold War 1947 - 1991, that's why WE chose you, Aplen... because, well, there really isn’t anyone else we can turn to in our time of need.

Suffice to say that I have now given up on my futile and foolhardy quest to assuage my grief through random trial and error searches of servers showing similar mission and participant brilliance . I suggest you return the services which you have so pointedly and catastrophically failed to deliver recently.  Excuses will be greeted initially with disbelief but quickly be replaced by derision, and even perhaps bemused rage. I hear Mike-Delta has recalled his old unit and they are currently training in Brussels, for an assault attempt on your home, resulting in a coup regaining control of the COLD WAR server. You don't want that.

Were I an angry man, I would send two small deposits, selected with great care from my cat’s litter tray, as an expression of my utter and complete contempt for this denial of service, but since they would most likely become desiccated during transit (they would be satisfyingly moist at the time of posting though), and I would feel considerable disappointment if you did not experience both the rich aroma and delicate texture. BUT THEY WOULD BE the very embodiment of my feelings towards you during these difficult times.

May you rot in Hell,

Have a nice day.

Miccara

 

So instead of congratulating him of having a baby you decided to wish him to rot in hell? 

My god whats wrong with people

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So instead of congratulating him of having a baby you decided to wish him to rot in hell? 
My god whats wrong with people
I'm not sure. But it seems he's trying to be funny, and is a big fan of Laiobi.

"so that you can have some entertaining reading material"

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