Worse FPS/Perfomance With GTX 1070 vs GTX 970?

[BitMaster]

1) download CPUPARK from bitsum and set power plan to bitsum highest performance

2) disable windows game enchanment

3) set nvidia control pannel for GPU power managment to -> maximum

4) check your cpu affinity and make sure all CPU cores are selected

5) installa DDU unistalller, reboot in windows temporaly boot, unistall your gpu drivers, download new geforce drviers and install only drivers and physixs, make sure you tick "clean install"

 

 

rebooot

 

 

6) delete fxo and metashaders from your \saved games\dcs folder

 

 

start dcs and you should be ready to go

 

 

:thumbup:

 

 

 

make #3 to #5 or it wont matter if you select HP and then reset all settings with "clean install" again. :pilotfly:

[FrazMann]

Done all and it made a difference but I still drop to 15fps and that's when I have only 2 place was flying so I've decided to postpone investing anymore time in it until I get a new pc, ED update their code to utilise more cores and the VR headsets are of a decent standard as trackir is definitely a step in the right direction but it's still not 100%. I'd like to thank everyone on this thread for their time and hopefully I can join the community in a year or 2. Happy New Year to everyone

 

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[SilentSierra]

I feel like I wasted 500 bucks! I got overall better performance from my 970 than I get in my new 1070 SC.

 

 

I would get the occasional stutter with my 970. But the frames were not that bad. I would get 60 frames almost everywhere. Now I get 35 on the ground and some serious stutters in light combat.

 

I have almost the same setup you have, but I spent the equivalent of 2000 bucks to upgrade my rig to get the GTX 1070.

 

I run smoothly at 60FPS 1080p with high settings, visibility range extreme, MSAA 4x, terrain shadows disabled and Vsync. I think the stutter maybe caused by loading stuff from HDD/SSD.

 

Flying over Dubai or Las Vegas, my FPS drops below 60FPS, but I think it's normal. If I turn the MSAA 2x and visibility range to high I get 60FPS almost the time.

[Mars Exulte]

Did you ever get to the bottom of this? I have a 1070, ssd and a i7 3820 and I'm getting 10 FPS while dog fighting at 1920x1080. Needless to say I'm rather miffed. Thanks to those that have posted advice so far, will be giving it a shot tomorrow.

 

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Single core CPU performance is primary concern in DCS. You're running a relatively old CPU that is probably not able to feed the 1070 to its potential. DCS does not use large numbers of CPU cores, regardless of what your software thinks it sees or what anyone here tells you. There is plenty to read on this topic.

 

A lot of people neglect CPU because it isn't utilised by most games, and it's not as 'sexy' as a fancy new graphic card, but fact is :

 

When you upgrade one, you should upgrade the other, as they are linked and one cannot run faster than the other, for all intents and purposes.

[FrazMann]

I have almost the same setup you have, but I spent the equivalent of 2000 bucks to upgrade my rig to get the GTX 1070.

 

I run smoothly at 60FPS 1080p with high settings, visibility range extreme, MSAA 4x, terrain shadows disabled and Vsync. I think the stutter maybe caused by loading stuff from HDD/SSD.

 

Flying over Dubai or Las Vegas, my FPS drops below 60FPS, but I think it's normal. If I turn the MSAA 2x and visibility range to high I get 60FPS almost the time.

I'll give it a shot, thanks

 

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[FrazMann]

Single core CPU performance is primary concern in DCS. You're running a relatively old CPU that is probably not able to feed the 1070 to its potential. DCS does not use large numbers of CPU cores, regardless of what your software thinks it sees or what anyone here tells you. There is plenty to read on this topic.

 

 

 

A lot of people neglect CPU because it isn't utilised by most games, and it's not as 'sexy' as a fancy new graphic card, but fact is :

 

 

 

When you upgrade one, you should upgrade the other, as they are linked and one cannot run faster than the other, for all intents and purposes.

Yeah she is an old CPU, but I was hoping that I wouldn't have to spend £600 upgrading the motherboard, ram and CPU.

 

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[Goa]

make #3 to #5 or it wont matter if you select HP and then reset all settings with "clean install" again. :pilotfly:

emh you're right, wrote it too fast, better to upgrade first gpu drivers then do the other stpes lol :P

[Strikeeagle345]

Thanks for the tip.

 

Regarding the FPS, I'm assuming u get higher than I do?

 

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usually around 30 (will go up to 40 but if im in the middle of the desert and nothing is around me) FPS in the hornet. the the F-5 i get 45 in VR. cant seem to figure it out.

[Goa]

usually around 30 (will go up to 40 but if im in the middle of the desert and nothing is around me) FPS in the hornet. the the F-5 i get 45 in VR. cant seem to figure it out.

 

 

you're running a barely accetable minimum requirments for playing in VR , you need singlethread fastest cpu and better GPU, plus you have dd3 ram which a lowspeed ram at leats 8 years old technology.

 

 

You need ddr4, and at least a 1080ti + 7700k/8700k/9900k cpu series.

[Strikeeagle345]

you're running a barely accetable minimum requirments for playing in VR , you need singlethread fastest cpu and better GPU, plus you have dd3 ram which a lowspeed ram at leats 8 years old technology.

 

 

You need ddr4, and at least a 1080ti + 7700k/8700k/9900k cpu series.

 

I realize that. Would overclocking the CPU help you think? I have it watercooled but never clocked it any higher than the stock 3.6 Ghz. I know it can clock up to 4.2 Ghz safely.

[BitMaster]

not really, your CPU is a non-K version and those do not overclock.

[Strikeeagle345]

not really, your CPU is a non-K version and those do not overclock.

 

the 3820 can be overclocked, that was a common misconception back in the 3rd gen era.

Edited January 4, 2019 by Strikeeagle345

[Goa]

I realize that. Would overclocking the CPU help you think? I have it watercooled but never clocked it any higher than the stock 3.6 Ghz. I know it can clock up to 4.2 Ghz safely.

 

 

It will absolutely helps for sure!!

 

 

Since intel multi-core exist I've always used to run my first quadcore cpu intel i5-750 from stock 2.6 to 3.8 ghz for about 8 years withouth problems, then I had the i5 6600k again overlocked, the 7700k overclocked and now the 8700k overlockd to 5.0 ghz.

 

 

I suggest using hwinfo software to monitor your CPU temp and voltages after you've ocerlocked:thumbup:

[Strikeeagle345]

It will absolutely helps for sure!!

 

 

Since intel multi-core exist I've always used to run my first quadcore cpu intel i5-750 from stock 2.6 to 3.8 ghz for about 8 years withouth problems, then I had the i5 6600k again overlocked, the 7700k overclocked and now the 8700k overlockd to 5.0 ghz.

 

 

I suggest using hwinfo software to monitor your CPU temp and voltages after you've ocerlocked:thumbup:

 

Thank you, I will give it a shot. What temps do I need to watch for (how high is too high)?

Edited January 4, 2019 by Strikeeagle345

[Goa]

Thank you, I will give it a shot. What temps do I need to watch for (how high is too high)?

 

 

se this attached :thumbup:

 

 

 

 

plus a little gift for you, guide to overlock your cpu

 

 

https://www.overclock.net/forum/5-intel-cpus/1221208-i7-3820-4820-overclock-club.html

Edited January 5, 2019 by Goa

[BitMaster]

Thank you, I will give it a shot. What temps do I need to watch for (how high is too high)?

 

Get to know what you are doing when you oc :)

 

You defo wanna stay away from any temp that is beyond 90°C, anytime and always. If you hit that mark you start to cross the border, seriously.

 

When you test it with prime95-avx you may get close to 90°C under a FULL LOAD of AVX with Small FFT's but anything else should remain in the 70 to mid-80°C.

 

But much much much more important are the VOLTS that you feed the CPU. Heat is not the ultimate CPU killer, it's the high voltage that causes the heat and degration.

 

 

Read a few overclock tutorials for your CPU and series of i7's, all series differ here. What fits a 2600k wont fit yours. Mind that.

 

 

There are tons of tutorials, some are real good. My advice is to read a few before you go at it.

[Strikeeagle345]

Discovered that steamVR was super sampling DCS by 200% (never set that myself so no clue). turned that to 100% and PD in game to 1.3; It is running smooth as butter and was able to up some of the graphic settings still.

 

Who knew? :doh:

[BitMaster]

there you go :)

 

Still, overclocking that CPU will help gameplay.

[Strikeeagle345]

there you go :)

 

Still, overclocking that CPU will help gameplay.

 

i tried, but for whatever reason, even with my watercooler, it was running at 60*C-70*C at idle. Not sure why, wonder if i need to redo the thermal paste (been on there for like 8 years LMAO!)

 

Any ideas?

[Goa]

Get to know what you are doing when you oc :)

 

You defo wanna stay away from any temp that is beyond 90°C, anytime and always. If you hit that mark you start to cross the border, seriously.

 

When you test it with prime95-avx you may get close to 90°C under a FULL LOAD of AVX with Small FFT's but anything else should remain in the 70 to mid-80°C.

 

But much much much more important are the VOLTS that you feed the CPU. Heat is not the ultimate CPU killer, it's the high voltage that causes the heat and degration.

Read a few overclock tutorials for your CPU and series of i7's, all series differ here. What fits a 2600k wont fit yours. Mind that.

 

 

 

There are tons of tutorials, some are real good. My advice is to read a few before you go at it.

 

 

 

 

there is absolutely no need to run those prime95-fft-bull shit tests.

 

 

In real-gaming-pc-life you can just run a simple cpu stress test like intel burning aka intel XTU to check cpu thermal capacity and cooling performance.

 

 

Running avx is abosolutely not necessarty, there are no games on planet earth tha uses AVX instructions....

 

 

AIDA64, 3DMark, Cinebench are more than sufficient stress test for a gaming cpu :)

Edited January 8, 2019 by Goa

[BitMaster]

Goa, iirc DCS uses AVX, that's what some dev said.

 

I do not concur with such stability tests as a last test to say its "Good to go".

 

you can run prime95 without AVX as well, with the new version, it's got checkboxes to tick AVX 256/512 etc...

 

I can run Cinebench with settings that dont hold 2 seconds in p95, that much to cinebench.

 

Aida64 is close to what p95 can show but I have had scenarios where it passed 4h of Aida64 stresstest and failed p95 after 30-45min... add 0.010v and it's maybe good again.

 

 

But hey, we all oc differently and we all have different understandings of "stable for my needs".

 

:)

[Headwarp]

there is absolutely no need to run those prime95-fft-bull shit tests.

 

 

In real-gaming-pc-life you can just run a simple cpu stress test like intel burning aka intel XTU to check cpu thermal capacity and cooling performance.

 

 

Running avx is abosolutely not necessarty, there are no games on planet earth tha uses AVX instructions....

 

 

AIDA64, 3DMark, Cinebench are more than sufficient stress test for a gaming cpu :)

 

Assassin's Creed Origin's, and Odyssey use AVX operations. Sorry mods for mentioning other games, but, it's not to compare with dcs.. just to state that yes.. there are games on planet earth that use AVX operations, something about they handle certain aspects of the game faster than traditional methods. These games put every physical and logical core of my CPU at 99% right next to gpu running at 99%. And that's fine, because my OC averages about 75C completely stable during avx testing, with full mouse movement through the entire test. No hitching or hard locking.

 

Who knows where we'll be in the next 5 years as vulkan/dx12 become more popular and the introduction of new technologies like the NGX sdk, not that all of this statement applies to DCS. You have to remember, it takes the game development world a few years to adopt new technology.

 

Regardless, imo you always aim for stable temps and operation @ 100% cpu usage in a stress test.

Edited January 11, 2019 by Headwarp