Swany Posted June 16, 2018 Posted June 16, 2018 So, am I over looking something? On the left panel, there's an ILS channel knob and switch. I understand the switch is to say "Hey, I want to use the UFC and program a channel in there", but the manual....I'm assuming that means it ends up using that knob, but, where's the list of what ILS's are on what channel for that knob? ALSO, I have the more realistic mode for radio comm's on. when using the easy mode, and you bring up, say, an air craft carrier, it tells you what freq it's using. When in realistic mode, those freq's don't show. How do you find out what freq something is on? I can't find it in the ME for the Stanis. I realize when in-game I can go to the map and click on an air base (or go the kneeboard) and find air fields info there, but what about the others that don't show on the map or in the ME? B. "Swany" Swanberg Gigabyte Designare, Intel i9 9900KF (3.6, OC'd to 5.0) 32GB Patriot Viper Steel (black, non-RGB) OS installed on a Samsung Evo 970 1TB SSD DCS installed on a Samsun Evo 860 1TB SSD EVGA 2080Ti 11GB EVGA Supernova 720p 750w PS 3 Dell S2716DG monitors in Surround mode (7680x1440) Oculus Rift S VR Thrustmaster Warthog Throttle and Stick Thrusmaster Rudder Pedals assorted button boxes/Arduino boards All drivers always kept up to date (30 days old, max)
Swany Posted June 16, 2018 Author Posted June 16, 2018 Thanks for the answer, though I did know that one already ;) I was wondering how you find it in game? Or even in the mission editor? It doesn't seem to be an option you can change like when you click on an aircraft within the ME, or even something you can see, like when you click on an air field B. "Swany" Swanberg Gigabyte Designare, Intel i9 9900KF (3.6, OC'd to 5.0) 32GB Patriot Viper Steel (black, non-RGB) OS installed on a Samsung Evo 970 1TB SSD DCS installed on a Samsun Evo 860 1TB SSD EVGA 2080Ti 11GB EVGA Supernova 720p 750w PS 3 Dell S2716DG monitors in Surround mode (7680x1440) Oculus Rift S VR Thrustmaster Warthog Throttle and Stick Thrusmaster Rudder Pedals assorted button boxes/Arduino boards All drivers always kept up to date (30 days old, max)
Frederf Posted June 16, 2018 Posted June 16, 2018 The CVN frequency isn't stored in the mission file. It must be hard coded for now.
Swany Posted June 16, 2018 Author Posted June 16, 2018 Ok on the hard code. And there's no way to see it in game, unless you are in Simple Comms? (that's how I found it before). And what about the ILS, anyone know that one? Which channels are for which air field/ship/etc? Or is this a standard config from air craft to air craft? B. "Swany" Swanberg Gigabyte Designare, Intel i9 9900KF (3.6, OC'd to 5.0) 32GB Patriot Viper Steel (black, non-RGB) OS installed on a Samsung Evo 970 1TB SSD DCS installed on a Samsun Evo 860 1TB SSD EVGA 2080Ti 11GB EVGA Supernova 720p 750w PS 3 Dell S2716DG monitors in Surround mode (7680x1440) Oculus Rift S VR Thrustmaster Warthog Throttle and Stick Thrusmaster Rudder Pedals assorted button boxes/Arduino boards All drivers always kept up to date (30 days old, max)
erautour Posted June 16, 2018 Posted June 16, 2018 Ok on the hard code. And there's no way to see it in game, unless you are in Simple Comms? (that's how I found it before). And what about the ILS, anyone know that one? Which channels are for which air field/ship/etc? Or is this a standard config from air craft to air craft? ICLS is not implemented yet in the Hornet. When it is I'm not sure it will be available at every airfield. If I'm not mistaken CF-18s are the only legacy Hornets that have the ability to use regular ILS.
Frederf Posted June 16, 2018 Posted June 16, 2018 ICLS should be 20 channels being entered in a numbered format i.e. Ch. 1-20. The ship would be able to alter its channelization as can the aircraft. The method of frequency channelization is similar to TACAN 1-10X, 1-10Y. Ground facility requires the AN/SPS-42 as opposed to the AN/SPS-41 on the ship. Perhaps one or more airports in some terrains (NTTR?) will be altered to include it along with other field carrier practice items like IFLOS, wires, etc.
Terrificfool Posted June 16, 2018 Posted June 16, 2018 I think typically Navy pilots use a TACAN or PAR approach when going into land airfields, as most airbases won't be configured with any specialized equipment specific to the Navy. You can fly a TACAN approach right now in DCS:F-18C as long as the airfield has a TACAN beacon. Otherwise you can fly a VOR approach if the airbase has a VOR. http://www.altairva-fs.com/training/ava_training_ifr_vor.htm <- some primer on VOR approaches http://navyflightmanuals.tpub.com/P-1204/Tacan-Approach-P-12040114-114.htm <- some details on TACAN approaches Since there are typically no approach plates available for the airfields in DCS you'll have to wing you own approaches, but for both TACAN and VOR it's rather straightforward to improvise an approach. If you can find actual plates (or fly on NTTR where the 476th have made excellent plates) then you should fly the procedures as charted.
IvanK Posted June 16, 2018 Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) F/A-18C has VOR equipment? Yes for most Foreign operators and the Blue Angles, No for USN Edited June 16, 2018 by IvanK
Terrificfool Posted June 17, 2018 Posted June 17, 2018 Let me put it this way, you can home on a VOR with your radio and fly an NDB style non-precision approach off the VOR. I wasn't sure if that would be called a VOR approach or an NDB approach? After all doesn't an RMI do not much more than a typical ADF set in terms of azimuth display to the pilot?
majapahit Posted June 17, 2018 Posted June 17, 2018 R/L Pilot on youtube mentioned F/A-18c can do actual autoland on ILS on carrier (his was the Kennedy). Yep. | VR goggles | Autopilot panel | Headtracker | TM HOTAS | G920 HOTAS | MS FFB 2 | Throttle Quadrants | 8600K | GTX 1080 | 64GB RAM| Win 10 x64 | Voicerecognition | 50" UHD TV monitor | 40" 1080p TV monitor | 2x 24" 1080p side monitors | 24" 1080p touchscreen |
IvanK Posted June 17, 2018 Posted June 17, 2018 Let me put it this way, you can home on a VOR with your radio and fly an NDB style non-precision approach off the VOR. I wasn't sure if that would be called a VOR approach or an NDB approach? After all doesn't an RMI do not much more than a typical ADF set in terms of azimuth display to the pilot? How can you home on a VOR with your radio ? If you are suggesting dialing up a VOR freq on the radio then selecting ADF on the UFC it wont work IRL. IRL If you attempt to tune a VOR freq the UFC will say error as VOR and for that matter ILS localiser freqs are in reserved NAV freq bands (Low VHF)
Flamin_Squirrel Posted June 17, 2018 Posted June 17, 2018 How can you home on a VOR with your radio ? If you are suggesting dialing up a VOR freq on the radio then selecting ADF on the UFC it wont work IRL. IRL If you attempt to tune a VOR freq the UFC will say error as VOR and for that matter ILS localiser freqs are in reserved NAV freq bands (Low VHF) Are you thinking it should only work with NDB? As a civvy pilot I would have assumed the same, but it's not the case. You can home on VOR. Wags has a video on the matter, although I don't think he specifically mentions VOR. Here's the NATOPS excerpt also: The OA-8697/ARD ADF is a VHF/UHF direction finder operating in the 100 to 400 MHz frequency range. The system has two sections: the antenna section which receives and modulates rf signals, and the audio processing section which resolves bearing in the ADF audio received from the VHF/UHF receiver-transmitter.
IvanK Posted June 17, 2018 Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) Are you thinking it should only work with NDB? As a civvy pilot I would have assumed the same, but it's not the case. You can home on VOR. Wags has a video on the matter, although I don't think he specifically mentions VOR. Here's the NATOPS excerpt also: Yes I am aware of the video (and VOR DFing was specifically mentioned) and I don't believe it to be correct....though happy to be proved wrong. In another life time IRL on the jet (A model) you couldn't do this (though we also had dedicated VOR/Civil ILS functions so no real need to try DF ing a VOR station). The ADF function was only usable for tuned VHF/UHF frequencies on Com 1 or Com 2 and I have used it that way. And No it doesnt work in KHZ band that your standard NDB works on. BTW the USN and RAN did actually have UHF NDB's at one time... that I suspect is what this "ADF" capability was initially designed for. Now VOR and ILS freq are specifically dedicated to NAV systems. The Freq band for VOR and ILS is specifically limited to 108.0 to 111.975 and with a different freq separation 111.975 - 117.975. Even if could enter these freqs (and I don't think you can) you certainly wouldn't be able to transmit on them. Now I accept that the radios in the jet have changed etc since my time (in the last century) but I don't believe the process is any different. Basically the ADF system is really a DF system that can be used to DF on a transmission on VHF/UHF comms frequencies. Next time you fly in GA try dialing up a VOR freq on your VHF set and see what happens. I dont think you will be able to tune these freqs on your comm radio. Edited June 17, 2018 by IvanK
Flamin_Squirrel Posted June 17, 2018 Posted June 17, 2018 Yes I am aware of the video (and VOR DFing was specifically mentioned) and I don't believe it to be correct....though happy to be proved wrong. In another life time IRL on the jet (A model) you couldn't do this (though we also had dedicated VOR/Civil ILS functions so no real need to try DF ing a VOR station). The ADF function was only usable for tuned VHF/UHF frequencies on Com 1 or Com 2 and I have used it that way. And No it doesnt work in KHZ band that your standard NDB works on. BTW the USN and RAN did actually have UHF NDB's at one time... that I suspect is what this "ADF" capability was initially designed for. Now VOR and ILS freq are specifically dedicated to NAV systems. The Freq band for VOR and ILS is specifically limited to 108.0 to 111.975 and with a different freq separation 111.975 - 117.975. Even if could enter these freqs (and I don't think you can) you certainly wouldn't be able to transmit on them. Now I accept that the radios in the jet have changed etc since my time (in the last century) but I don't believe the process is any different. Basically the ADF system is really a DF system that can be used to DF on a transmission on VHF/UHF comms frequencies. Next time you fly in GA try dialing up a VOR freq on your VHF set and see what happens. I dont think you will be able to tune these freqs on your comm radio. Why would you want to transmit? That's only required for ranging, which we don't have in this case. A VOR is just a radio signal, and it does have an audio component (the ident). I don't see any reason why you couldn't DF from it. Those radio ranges certainly apply to the planes I fly, but I'm guessing not the Hornet.
muehlema Posted June 17, 2018 Posted June 17, 2018 Yes for most Foreign operators and the Blue Angles, No for USN Afirm - Swiss Hornet do have it too X-Plane 11.5x / DCS 2.5.6 / P3Dv5 / Aerofly FS 2 / War Thunder Win10-x64 | ASUS Z390 Maximus VI | Intel i7-9700K @3.6GHz | Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB DDR4 | 6TB SSD Samsung 850 Pro | 2TB M2 PCI 4x | ASUS GTX 1080 ROG STRIX 8GB DDR5X | TM Hotas Warthog | Saitek Combat Pedals | Oculus Rift S
Alphamale Posted June 17, 2018 Posted June 17, 2018 So, am I over looking something? On the left panel, there's an ILS channel knob and switch. I understand the switch is to say "Hey, I want to use the UFC and program a channel in there", but the manual....I'm assuming that means it ends up using that knob, but, where's the list of what ILS's are on what channel for that knob? ALSO, I have the more realistic mode for radio comm's on. when using the easy mode, and you bring up, say, an air craft carrier, it tells you what freq it's using. When in realistic mode, those freq's don't show. How do you find out what freq something is on? I can't find it in the ME for the Stanis. I realize when in-game I can go to the map and click on an air base (or go the kneeboard) and find air fields info there, but what about the others that don't show on the map or in the ME? Yeah, I know what you mean like a DIVERT page giving you the frequencies, or auto-course headings by selection ON the DDI's (ala A-10C and others perhaps)
drPhibes Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 Now VOR and ILS freq are specifically dedicated to NAV systems. The Freq band for VOR and ILS is specifically limited to 108.0 to 111.975 and with a different freq separation 111.975 - 117.975. Even if could enter these freqs (and I don't think you can) you certainly wouldn't be able to transmit on them. According to the NATOPS flight manual, you can in fact tune the COM radios to frequencies in the 108-111.975 range: 24.3 ADF (Automatic Direction Finder). The OA-8697/ARD ADF is a VHF/UHF direction finder operating in the 100 to 400 MHz frequency range.
jserdynski Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 Selecting FA-18C radio using joystick or keys results in Comm 1 going to GUARD. Once in, the radio frequency cannot be changed. SRS starts flipping channels as the joystick buttons are switched (freq of comm1 will go to comm2 and vise-versa). Any work arounds or is this a programming or repair issue?
fitness88 Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 When I see a freq. of 250.45 do I assume all 5 digit ATC freq. need the 0 as the 6th digit? Is there an airfield list [not F10] for each theatre to show: TACAN ADF Are there any other homing systems available in DCS?
Alfredson007 Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 I'm gonna use this topic... Are there any plans for civilian ILS and VOR radial navigation possibility in future? Tbh, when i bought the Hornet i assumed that now i can finally do IFR flights with western avionics, your basic ILS and VOR systems and even NDB, but it seems not to be the case.... I only have a Caucasus map, but would NTTR allow me to do some sort of military land-based ILS landings? USA is full of VORTAC's so en route navigation would not cause any problems... Can somebody enlighten me why US hornet cannot do civilian ILS? My assumption is that in homeland they have TACAN's carriers and A/A refuelers have TACAN, and in hostile enviroment they would probably use INS/GPS rather than hostile countries land based nav aids... That said, it would probably be nice to have the chance to fly ILS / VOR approach in a friendly NATO country that has no TACAN beacons etc..? BTW, would there actually be TACAN beacons in Georgia in real life like we have in DCS?
drPhibes Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 I'm gonna use this topic... Are there any plans for civilian ILS and VOR radial navigation possibility in future? Tbh, when i bought the Hornet i assumed that now i can finally do IFR flights with western avionics, your basic ILS and VOR systems and even NDB, but it seems not to be the case.... The US Navy F/A-18C lot 20 doesn't have nav receivers that are compatible with ICAO ILS and VOR, so judging by ED's goal of highest possible system accuracy, I'd say no. I only have a Caucasus map, but would NTTR allow me to do some sort of military land-based ILS landings? USA is full of VORTAC's so en route navigation would not cause any problems... Not yet AFAIK, but seeing that TILS beacons for the Viggen were added, I see no reason why ED couldn't do the same with ICLS beacons for the Hornet. Can somebody enlighten me why US hornet cannot do civilian ILS? My assumption is that in homeland they have TACAN's carriers and A/A refuelers have TACAN, and in hostile enviroment they would probably use INS/GPS rather than hostile countries land based nav aids... That said, it would probably be nice to have the chance to fly ILS / VOR approach in a friendly NATO country that has no TACAN beacons etc..? BTW, would there actually be TACAN beacons in Georgia in real life like we have in DCS?Avionics are bulky. More large heavy avionics = less fuel and/or payload. If civilian navaid compatibility isn't seen as usefull enough, other things are given a higher priority.
fitness88 Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) I'm gonna use this topic... Are there any plans for civilian ILS and VOR radial navigation possibility in future? Tbh, when i bought the Hornet i assumed that now i can finally do IFR flights with western avionics, your basic ILS and VOR systems and even NDB, but it seems not to be the case.... I only have a Caucasus map, but would NTTR allow me to do some sort of military land-based ILS landings? USA is full of VORTAC's so en route navigation would not cause any problems... Can somebody enlighten me why US hornet cannot do civilian ILS? My assumption is that in homeland they have TACAN's carriers and A/A refuelers have TACAN, and in hostile enviroment they would probably use INS/GPS rather than hostile countries land based nav aids... That said, it would probably be nice to have the chance to fly ILS / VOR approach in a friendly NATO country that has no TACAN beacons etc..? BTW, would there actually be TACAN beacons in Georgia in real life like we have in DCS? +1 for IFR Is there a list of available navigation aids on a per airfield basis, is F10 the only source?. Also Currently there seems to be only TACAN and ADF. However with the ability of the HSI having 3 separate series of waypoints, one series could be having a waypoint on each runway. Then knowing the runway # you can set your course select and follow it in for IFR approach. Edited June 25, 2018 by fitness88
Alfredson007 Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 The US Navy F/A-18C lot 20 doesn't have nav receivers that are compatible with ICAO ILS and VOR, so judging by ED's goal of highest possible system accuracy, I'd say no. Unless they just implement the avionics that are in australian and finnish hornets for example as talked earlier on this thread....
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