Holy Cow!

[VZ_342]

Mooooooo....

[Doum76]

Wait no more all you cow lovers, that been waiting cows to come aboard DCS for the past 10 years... Here's a little something for you guys having Oculus Rift.... Thank me later! Live your Cow Mania in FPV!

 

 

https://www.oculus.com/experiences/rift/1209779595809812/

[FragBum]

 

DCS: Mooving Cattle Campaign

:megalol:

 

The cattle are very adaptive it seems, besides it looks like SERIOUS FUN!

 

[Boberro]

Hopefully it will not end on the cows only. Goats, deers, whales, camels, rabbits ect. are important too and would greatly improve immersion of the world, especially for choppers' pilots.

[cuervo111]

I love those little touches that improve immersion or make one smile, but this time I am with the guys think this should be way down in the priority list.

 

Come on guys, seriously, how did this thing ended up being prioritized for development when we've had big lighting issues for months: exterior lights making the cockpit super bright, lights that don't illuminate units, cotton white clouds in the middle of the night with no moon, canopies visible through fog (this one has been there for years and still hasn't been fixed after many graphic engine updates).

 

Maybe the marketing value of this ("wow, look at that, it's so detailed! it even has cows and they even move their tail!") was deemed more important that fixing important bugs that are not so immediately visible. As a loyal customer, I'm disappointed.

[David OC]

I love those little touches that improve immersion or make one smile, but this time I am with the guys think this should be way down in the priority list.

 

Come on guys, seriously, how did this thing ended up being prioritized for development when we've had big lighting issues for months: exterior lights making the cockpit super bright, lights that don't illuminate units, cotton white clouds in the middle of the night with no moon, canopies visible through fog (this one has been there for years and still hasn't been fixed after many graphic engine updates).

 

Maybe the marketing value of this ("wow, look at that, it's so detailed! it even has cows and they even move their tail!") was deemed more important that fixing important bugs that are not so immediately visible. As a loyal customer, I'm disappointed.

 

These are different teams cuervo111, you cannot push new coders into a new graphics engine built over the last few years and say help fix this can you. It would take them months to just understand the direction they have gone and perhaps years to understand what bugs are happening and why. This is the easier stuff that can be quickly implemented. All that other stuff with lighting etc will come now the (engine guy's) are getting close to locking it down.

[cuervo111]

These are different teams cuervo111, you cannot push new coders into a new graphics engine built over the last few years and say help fix this can you. It would take them months to just understand the direction they have gone and perhaps years to understand what bugs are happening and why. This is the easier stuff that can be quickly implemented. All that other stuff with lighting etc will come now the (engine guy's) are getting close to locking it down.

 

Fair point David. I know the guys responsible for the engine are likely to be different from the art guys.

 

However, it is my understanding that many of the lighting issues are actually due to models and textures not being yet updated to work with the new engine. There are several mentions of it by ED and in fact progress has been made by them for example in the A-10C and by 3rd party modules like the Mig21. I understand materials and textures need to change in order to react correctly to the new PBR lighting system. Thus I think this is mostly an art department issue right now.

 

Of course, I'm probably wrong but I'd love ED to at least acknowledge some of the bugs that have been there for months/years.

 

And even if this was the project of someone new, I think many will agree there are lots of more important models to be updated/improved. For example the golf course northwest of Vegas is an important navigation reference point and is even mentioned in some missions and tbh it looks just quite bad.

 

I'm not whining, I don't expect perfection and I understand things take time (I've been using ED sims since Flanker 2.0) but sometimes I feel they really need to improve communication about this kind of thing instead of ignoring all these questions from the community and suddenly saying "Look! we have cows".

[cuervo111]

Having said that, I'm actually looking forward to practice my very lacking helicopter skills around the poor cows with the Huey

:pilotfly:

[David OC]

Fair point David. I know the guys responsible for the engine are likely to be different from the art guys.

 

However, it is my understanding that many of the lighting issues are actually due to models and textures not being yet updated to work with the new engine. There are several mentions of it by ED and in fact progress has been made by them for example in the A-10C and by 3rd party modules like the Mig21. I understand materials and textures need to change in order to react correctly to the new PBR lighting system. Thus I think this is mostly an art department issue right now.

 

Of course, I'm probably wrong but I'd love ED to at least acknowledge some of the bugs that have been there for months/years.

 

And even if this was the project of someone new, I think many will agree there are lots of more important models to be updated/improved. For example the golf course northwest of Vegas is an important navigation reference point and is even mentioned in some missions and tbh it looks just quite bad.

 

I'm not whining, I don't expect perfection and I understand things take time (I've been using ED sims since Flanker 2.0) but sometimes I feel they really need to improve communication about this kind of thing instead of ignoring all these questions from the community and suddenly saying "Look! we have cows".

 

Totally get where your coming from to cuervo111:thumbup: This has also been frustrating for ED and 3rd parties, some 3rd parties even just stopped while ED was making major changes, others continue because they know where ED will get to and are on for the journey knowing they may need to fix and or update their module(s). It took some time before the Mig-21 got updated, it was frustrating:cry: They too would have been waiting to do the fix (Once hopefully). That also go's for the A-10C etc. If the guy's have to make another major change to the graphic engine it could force another update on textures.

 

It would be nice for more communication, I also understand why they don't from past experience. I would love some post from ED's team like these few.

 

X-Plane Blade Element Theory vs. DCS Physics?

 

CPU Core number

 

what is being refactored/rewritten does use multi-threading where possible.

 

atm the major parts which do it are:

resource loading and other I/O (logging, input, ffb ...), integrity checking, sound

 

w/o rewriting the engine, splitting simulation into a separate thread from the graphics will benefit it most - which will be, in fact, the mentioned client-server approach, just inside the app.

[Cedaway]

I like the idea!

It's a good way to test the tech and perfs, in a funny way! And yes, it 'populates' the world. Hope it'll not hurt the overall performances...

[cuervo111]

Totally get where your coming from to cuervo111:thumbup: This has also been frustrating for ED and 3rd parties, some 3rd parties even just stopped while ED was making major changes, others continue because they know where ED will get to and are on for the journey knowing they may need to fix and or update their module(s). It took some time before the Mig-21 got updated, it was frustrating:cry: They too would have been waiting to do the fix (Once hopefully). That also go's for the A-10C etc. If the guy's have to make another major change to the graphic engine it could force another update on textures.

 

It would be nice for more communication, I also understand why they don't from past experience. I would love some post from ED's team like these few.

 

X-Plane Blade Element Theory vs. DCS Physics?

 

CPU Core number

 

Nice posts there! I would certainly love to see more like that.:thumbup:

 

I'm also starting to think that having a public issue tracker would be good ... but I guess that's another topic :)

[Silver_Dragon]

"DCS Cows" on New Spitfire Mk.IX video (0:50)

[Cyb0rg]

Hopefully it will not end on the cows only. Goats, deers, whales, camels, rabbits ect. are important too and would greatly improve immersion of the world, especially for choppers' pilots.

+1

I hope they keep this immersion level.

Keep the good work guys.

 

Goats next :)

[Nealius]

Can't wait to buzz a ranch in the Viggen.

[flo57100]

Cows can wait, would be better to have more important things fixed before, like lighting effects (landing light, cockpit lighting etc etc...)

[Johnny_Rico]

Cows can wait, would be better to have more important things fixed before, like lighting effects (landing light, cockpit lighting etc etc...)

 

+1

After the announcement a while ago .... about trains, more detailed trains ????

Now cattle, I begin to wonder what is going on in ED HQ with project priorities

 

There are defo things that could do with a make over more important than cows,

 

eg some of the very old a low quality models of the aircraft for one

mg bunkers could do with a bit of a touch up, some of the ships models are very potato

 

Whilst I appreciate adding more things to make the sim more "real", I find

it odd that thing like this are done, that from what I could see isnt really going

to make for a better piloting experience

 

Or is there a "DCS Cattle herding" DLC in the works ?

Edited July 7, 2018 by Johnny_Rico

[Captain Orso]

I wonder how long we have to wait before we finally get national cow breeds. I mean, in Germany there are already huge differences between, for example Bavaria and northern Germany :D

 

[Silver_Dragon]

+1

After the announcement a while ago .... about trains, more detailed trains ????

Now cattle, I begin to wonder what is going on in ED HQ with project priorities

 

There are defo things that could do with a make over more important than cows,

 

eg some of the very old a low quality models of the aircraft for one

mg bunkers could do with a bit of a touch up, some of the ships models are very potato

 

Whilst I appreciate adding more things to make the sim more "real", I find

it odd that thing like this are done, that from what I could see isnt really going

to make for a better piloting experience

 

Or is there a "DCS Cattle herding" DLC in the works ?

 

The "Cows" has only a part of the new infantry animations on DCS. The 3rd modeles has maked actually a ground technical with none has talking, with several tens of animations, but part of the community get with torches vs ED by a cow with use the same technology. What happens if Wags of other ED member show the carrier crew? a pic show some days ago, and nowhere has talking about them?

Edited July 8, 2018 by Silver_Dragon

[Johnny_Rico]

The "Cows" has only a part of the new infantry animations on DCS. The 3rd modeles has maked actually a ground technical with none has talking, with several tens of animations, but part of the community get with torches vs ED by a cow with use the same technology. What happens if Wags of other ED member show the carrier crew? a pic show some days ago, and nowhere has talking about them?

 

 

Honestly no idea what you are trying to say, it does not read as english as I understand it

[Silver_Dragon]

Honestly no idea what you are trying to say, it does not read as english as I understand it

 

Check here, reviewer by me in the 2.5.2, but present on the 2.5.0

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3539516&postcount=1265

[FragBum]

The "Cows" has only a part of the new infantry animations on DCS. The 3rd modeles has maked actually a ground technical with none has talking, with several tens of animations, but part of the community get with torches vs ED by a cow with use the same technology. What happens if Wags of other ED member show the carrier crew? a pic show some days ago, and nowhere has talking about them?

 

Yep I get it. :thumbup:

[jef32]

I havn't read all the topic and I just can say that if animated cows or other pets are coming in DCS, I just hope that it's just a beginning.

 

In the wishlist section, I've often spoke about animated civilians or others stuffs like airport vehicles, or cable cars in mountains or more models of civilian cars available in the ME, some kinds of boats for rivers and all I've already spoke in the wislist section to make DCS more alive and no limiting it to war ambience.

 

With the 2.5 ED gave us a wonderful land to fly and it's too bad to use it just with military and war affairs. Ok it's a simulator with only war flying machines but war flying machines are flying in peace times too. Hope the animated cows are only the beginning

[Fri13]

Nice, but i personaly would rather them to be working on stuff more useful and wanted in a flight sim ratehr than a Farm Sim or Sim City, like animated ground crew, pilots we could set on ME to create scenes, etc..etc... Or at lest get videos of this if they are. :)

 

First of all, when you have a TEAM of developers, it means you have like 20% of 3D modelers, 30% of coders, 5-10% testers, 5-10% texture artists and all other from translators to community support to technical advisors etc.

 

And you are doing dozens of projects going on same time, where different developers has already done their phase in the projects that are going on. So they can either just go home to do nothing, or do something totally secondary tasks.

 

And then you simply have in many companies that specific times people can do what they want, as that will increase their productivity and so on value to company and eventually to end users because happier and more productive worker does better than someone doing TO-DO lists.

[Johnny_Rico]

Probably didn't make my point clearly, I was just trying to say there

might be things that could have been looked at before working on bovines

for a Digital Combat Simulator

 

Things that I think might really enhance the DCS

1. "Red" side Machine gunner soldier

2. "Blue" side AT soldier (rpg or carl gustaff?)

3. Fixed MGs for both side (50 Cal?, DHsK on a stand)

4. Techincal for both sides, (a pickup with 50 cal?)

5. Technical with AT weapon (a pickup base with an AT launcher)

6. Access to being able to put down the pilot model so adding more atmosphere in mission

7. A few different uniforms for the soldier models

8. Update the textures for older building ground objects eg bunkers (pill boxes)

9. Update models / textures for some of the older aircraft

 

Now, just a thought if you put a poll up with all these items and added

10. Add cows to DCS

Do you think cows would have won the poll ?

[aileron]

No but I'm willing to bet the reason we have cows now was because it was easy and quick to make at high quality.

 

 

And they added to atmosphere and it was on the schedule to be done at some point.

Edited July 12, 2018 by aileron