[FIXED] Radar elevation problem after update

Solid84 · July 4, 2018

Hi, with today's update i have noticed a problem with radar elevation control.

In the radar screen, the left radar elevation bar doesn't move at all, or if it moves, with a lot of lag.

The TDC cursor displays the same min/max altitude when i move it.

When i change elevation, radar screen seems to freeze for 2/3 seconds.

Before today's update it worked perfectly.

Anyone noticed this?

cofcorpse · July 4, 2018

Sorry, I can't reproduce. Could you record a track with a problem?

Pikey · July 4, 2018

I see a change but not the way you described.

The elevation control now only affects the numbers on the TDC, which makes more sense. The radar is in control of it's elevation and it seems to wait for you to set it before covering the elevation indicator on the left.

But I do see it pause the azimuth scan after fiddling with it.

haven't got a good feeling for it yet.

Pikey · July 4, 2018

Actually, if you click the target designate to attempt to lock, then move the radar elevation, you can see the delay discussed earlier.

You have to move the elevation control up, then return to center and then the elevation bars on the left seem to switch up. If you move for longer, the radar waits for the elevation command then after a time decides to move up or down.

It might be a symptom of setting it to a slider control that this is not seen in realtime?

Pikey · July 4, 2018

Yeah it's more obvious now. Move the elevation on a 1 bar scan up so it's at 99 thousand feet and watch the radar.

1. Every two sweeps it stops and pauses the azimuth scan

2. during the pause it moves the elevation marker on the left up a little slowly

3. This repeats, a little at a time.

Sometimes it gives up and the elevation marker remains in the same place and not indicative of where the radar is scanning.

Sometimes you get a laggy pause during the azimuth sweep.

I'm not sure if it affects finding the target or not yet.

Cytt0rak · July 4, 2018

Same issue antenna elevation is bugged.

Edit : Not just that search bar freezes from time to time.

Edited July 4, 2018 by Cytt0rak

Svend_Dellepude · July 4, 2018

Hi, with today's update i have noticed a problem with radar elevation control.

In the radar screen, the left radar elevation bar doesn't move at all, or if it moves, with a lot of lag.

The TDC cursor displays the same min/max altitude when i move it.

When i change elevation, radar screen seems to freeze for 2/3 seconds.

Before today's update it worked perfectly.

Anyone noticed this?

I see the same.

F-18 radar elevation.trk

Pikey · July 4, 2018

The more I play with it, it appears related to controller input, as if there are many presses of elevation to compute and it can freeze if you move it far and it's trying to catch up.

Slider seems a bit better behaved than buttons.

I'd prefer it was like the old F-15 or Mirage 2000C where the slider is concerned where the slider is absolute position not a positive input. At the moment I nudge the slider and it's safest. if I use a button and hold it makes a mess of the elevation quickly

Svend_Dellepude · July 4, 2018

To me it appears to be completely random. Once in a while the caret chooses to follow input in realtime, but most of the time not.

Here is another track where the radar freezes completely after playing with elevation and lock+unlocking.

F-18 radar elevation 2.trk

LithiumR · July 4, 2018

I'd prefer it was like the old F-15 or Mirage 2000C where the slider is concerned where the slider is absolute position not a positive input.

+1

Mauser13 · July 4, 2018

I'm having the same problem. Radar elevation marker is acting weird. It doesn't move right away. Sometimes after a few horizontal scans it catches up. The elevation numbers seem to change though.

wilbur81 · July 4, 2018

By the way, why does the Radar elevation not just stop at zero for the ground rather than go into negative numbers for feet?

Edited July 4, 2018 by wilbur81

Pikey · July 4, 2018

Depends on the range of your TDC, its the area of elevation at the range your TDC gate is at, but it still originates from your radar position. Radars can point at quite high angles off. In terms of an angle, imagine you rolled away from a target and it's underneath you, you need that angle to hold the target whilst you maneuver away from it, ofc.

By the way, why does the Radar elevation not just stop at zero for the ground rather than go into negative numbers for feet?

maxTRX · July 4, 2018

Just another confirmation. There is a huge delay in antenna repositioning. Try this: leave the elevation at the center. Move your nose up 10deg while watching the elevation caret. The center of the scan will move with the nose and after 2sec. it wakes up and realizes that it's supposed to remain level and snaps back down. :/

The same type of delay is evident when banking quickly toward the locked target. The antenna will not pivot to maintain the lock. The TDC box will drift down in the same direction you banked.

umkhunto · July 4, 2018

I'm experiencing the exact same problem. Can't move the elevation with Axis, not with hotas button presses nor the default keyboard binds. Looks like AIM-7's are going into the barn. :(

Svend_Dellepude · July 4, 2018

cofcorpse asked for some tracks, so why don't you guys give him some?

umkhunto · July 4, 2018

Attached is a track of a just the Persian Gulf Free Flight.

Not sure how this will help you, because it doesn't look I'm doing anything, but I assure you, whilst staring at the right DDI, I am trying to manipulate the radar elevation. It doesn't work whether it's with the default keyboard commands, nor my hotas binds.

I also made sure the key presses are detected by the game by testing whether, in adjust controls, it jumps to the function assigned , which they did.

The radar elevation either responds super late, and then will either be at the top or bottom of the B-SCope or just not have any change at all.

radar_elevation_broken.trk

cellinsky · July 4, 2018

Same here: Radar axis is slow or not responding. Radar lock however seems to be improved.

Bearfoot · July 5, 2018

Can confirm that this is an issue.

(1) When assigned to button: pressing and holding down, and sending several clicks, results in radar freezing for a LOOONG time while antenna position moves glacially tick by tick by tick. Takes forever. When it reaches its commanded elevation, radar sweep unfreezes. It might be a "feature" (i.e., as in IRL) that the sweep freezes till the radar elevation position commanded is reached ... but it surely cannot take soooooooooooooo long for this to happen. I mean, sometimes 30 seconds or more!

(2) When assigned to a slider: same.

Has this been reported as a bug? If not, can this thread be moved to the bug section?

Solid84 · July 5, 2018

yes, definitely an issue for me.

Radar elevation is pratically unusable for me at this moment.

This thread should be moved to bug section

Vatikus · July 5, 2018

I noticed as well that antenna elevation idication on side is acting strange.. it does not respond to the input (cursor does however). Also if I roll my plane, the elevation indication reacts with wild going up or down...

Alphamale · July 5, 2018

My min/max values change with each single press, but there's no doubt that the sensitivity of the elevation of the marker has drastically changed...holding the elevation up or down is now a mistake...you need to apply single taps (button presses) or it goes ballistic in either direction...which means it's no good assigning a slider axis to this...you need discrete steps...I can use it, but do not like it

Ironhand · July 5, 2018

In case this is of any use, here is a short TRK recorded with X.400 of the radar evelvation being changed to its lowest and highest limits. The video is what you see in X.400:

If you run this TRK in X.408, the upper and lower altitude coverge numbers change as they do in the video but the antenna elevation caret does not. If you take control as soon as the antenna coverage goes to +99 and change the elevation up and down, you then have all the issues people are reporting, including the "freezing" from time to time. To me this suggests that the "antenna position" is actually changing but the visual depiction on the display is causing issues.

FA-18 Radar Elev Change Test.trk

Edited July 6, 2018 by Ironhand
Realized that I never uploaded the TRK itself

Alphamale · July 5, 2018

In case this is of any use, here is a short TRK recorded with X.400 of the radar evelvation being changed to its lowest and highest limits. The video is what you see in X.400:

If you run this TRK in X.408, the upper and lower altitude coverge numbers change as they do in the video but the antenna elevation caret does not. If you take control as soon as the antenna coverage goes to +99 and change the elevation up and down, you then have all the issues people are reporting, including the "freezing" from time to time. To me this suggests that the "antenna position" is actually changing but the visual depiction on the display is causing issues.

Well silly, how else you gonna detect the aliens from the dark side of the moon, when theysa comin'?

Bearfoot · July 5, 2018

Radar Elevation Changes Result in Severe Lags/Freeze in Radar

This is being discussed here:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=214881

It seems to be a bug, affecting multiple people.

Various descriptions of problem:

"There is a huge delay in antenna repositioning. Try this: leave the elevation at the center. Move your nose up 10deg while watching the elevation caret. The center of the scan will move with the nose and after 2sec. it wakes up and realizes that it's supposed to remain level and snaps back down."
"it appears related to controller input, as if there are many presses of elevation to compute and it can freeze if you move it far and it's trying to catch up."
"(1) When assigned to button: pressing and holding down, and sending several clicks, results in radar freezing for a LOOONG time while antenna position moves glacially tick by tick by tick. Takes forever. When it reaches its commanded elevation, radar sweep unfreezes. It might be a "feature" (i.e., as in IRL) that the sweep freezes till the radar elevation position commanded is reached ... but it surely cannot take soooooooooooooo long for this to happen. I mean, sometimes 30 seconds or more! (2) When assigned to a slider: same."
"My min/max values change with each single press, but there's no doubt that the sensitivity of the elevation of the marker has drastically changed...holding the elevation up or down is now a mistake...you need to apply single taps (button presses) or it goes ballistic in either direction...which means it's no good assigning a slider axis to this...you need discrete steps...I can use it, but do not like it"

Track files:

Edited July 5, 2018 by Bearfoot

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