Wyverex Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 I wonder why the traffic pattern in this campaign is different from the one in the manual (200m vs. 600m, short vs. long approach). What are the advantages or disadvantages of either one or are there situations where I would prefer one pattern over the other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 (edited) There is an initial altitude you join a traffic pattern (perhaps +500ft) and the pattern altitude itself. Exact altitude/height depends on the terrain, etc. and local instructions. Typical pattern altitudes for piston aircraft are: ... traffic pattern altitudes for propeller-driven aircraft generally extend from 600 feet to as high as 1,500 feet above the ground so 200m (650 ft) AGL is within that margin, AFAIK 300m (1000 ft) AGL is recommended for piston aircraft, with a jets at perhaps 500-600m (1,500 ft) ("Cat. C" depends on approach speed). If Kursant's training is based off a real syllabus - it's possible, the lower pattern altitude is to avoid conflicting with a 'jet' lane i.e. breaking a 300m ATC ceiling, etc. but there numerous factors IRL, OTOH they may have used a pattern for piston aircraft. The L-39 pattern altitude in DCS's manual reflects the manufactures recommendation (500-600m, 1500-2000ft, depending on the manual, imperial/metric, etc.). RSBN/PRGM's electronic glide slope is programmed to level-off at 500m. Edited February 2, 2019 by Ramsay i9 9900K @4.7GHz, 64GB DDR4, RTX4070 12GB, 1+2TB NVMe, 6+4TB HD, 4+1TB SSD, Winwing Orion 2 F-15EX Throttle + F-16EX Stick, TPR Pedals, TIR5, Win 10 Pro x64, 1920X1080 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 (edited) What are the advantages or disadvantages of either one or are there situations where I would prefer one pattern over the other? The long (600m AGL) approach is typical of an instrument approach or where you need to fit in with other traffic. The short (200m) approach is typical of a visual pattern, however it's very low to my taste and I'd only fly it to avoid low cloud cover, etc. As we don't need to take other traffic into account - I fly a visual pattern, descending in the base turn to pass over the outer marker at 150-200m (500ft) @ 250 km/h (135 KIAS). Approach and Landing Initial: 250 KIAS / 1,500 ft AGL (450 km/h, 500m) Break: Throttle 70%, Speedbrakes as Req'ed Speed: Decrease to traffic pattern 190 KIAS (350 km/h) Downwind: Gear - DOWN below Max 180 KIAS (330 km/h) Speedbrakes - Retract if extended Flaps Dn (half) - TAKEOFF below 160 KIAS (300km/h) Throttle 95-100% - As Req'ed to maintain 150 KIAS (280km/h) Base/Final Turn: Flaps Dn (full) - LANDING Throttle - As Req'ed to maintain 135-140 KIAS (250-260km/h) Final: 135 KIAS (250 km/h), 500ft (150m) (+10 KIAS for half flap/crosswind, +15 KIAS with full drop tanks) Landing Light as Req'ed (Throttle 70% min recommeded for abort/go around, 9-12s idle response lag) Reducing to: Threshold speed 120 KIAS (220 km/h) Touchdown speed 95-100 KIAS (185-200 km/h) While training, you should follow Kursant's "local instructions". Edited February 2, 2019 by Ramsay i9 9900K @4.7GHz, 64GB DDR4, RTX4070 12GB, 1+2TB NVMe, 6+4TB HD, 4+1TB SSD, Winwing Orion 2 F-15EX Throttle + F-16EX Stick, TPR Pedals, TIR5, Win 10 Pro x64, 1920X1080 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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