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I played the Su-33 campaign mission, Heavy sky, I noticed the F-14A can be detected and locked at under 80KM.

 

I checked the data files and founded it was: PlaneConst.LUA

 

F-14A, RCS = 6

F/A-18C, RCS = 5

MiG-29, RCS = 5

Su-33/27, RCS = 5.5

Mirage-2000C , RCS = 5

 

that should be need fix, the F-14 should be way lots bigger. 5-6 range was for medium size :doh:

 

lots of forum said F-14 was with RCS way lots bigger

 

Su-33 campaign with F-14 is broken.

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Interesting because the western radars are all far too good. Yesterday the F18c was picking up F4 aircraft at 75 miles, not realistic but hey I have never complained about having a good radar .

 

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Interesting because the western radars are all far too good. Yesterday the F18c was picking up F4 aircraft at 75 miles, not realistic but hey I have never complained about having a good radar .

 

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Its sound quite realistic to me detecting an F4 from 75 miles under certain circunstances (Head on relatively high cloure rate). The F4 is a big plane with big RCS and the APG73 is a great radar. For example the APG63 on the F15 which is a bit superior to the APG73 can detect F4 around 80/100 mn during the pre-operational trials (Can't find the source now though... :() and during gulf war in some of the engagements the F15 detected iraqui Mig23 around 80mn, being the mig23 quite smaller than an F4.

 

Regarding the OP complain, yes 5-6 RCS sounds a bit small for an F14 although we cant know for sure cause that kind of data is classified. I guess we can know only from hornet or eagle pilots from their DACTs.

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Who cares what 'lots of forums say' ... do you have a real RCS measurement for it? :) If not, forget it.

 

Not only that, but AFAIK RCS interacts with the chaff rejection calculation so playing around with it negatively impacts another side of realism.

 

I played the Su-33 campaign mission, Heavy sky, I noticed the F-14A can be detected and locked at under 80KM.

 

I checked the data files and founded it was: PlaneConst.LUA

 

F-14A, RCS = 6

F/A-18C, RCS = 5

MiG-29, RCS = 5

Su-33/27, RCS = 5.5

Mirage-2000C , RCS = 5

 

that should be need fix, the F-14 should be way lots bigger. 5-6 range was for medium size :doh:

 

lots of forum said F-14 was with RCS way lots bigger

 

Su-33 campaign with F-14 is broken.


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Interesting because the western radars are all far too good.

 

Not at all. That's the kind of blanket statement that is just not needed and it not correct.

 

Yesterday the F18c was picking up F4 aircraft at 75 miles, not realistic but hey I have never complained about having a good radar .

 

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The F-18 radar might have a bit too long of a reach as it is right now, but this radar is WIP.

 

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We'll I have trained against every one of the western radars IRL and none of them perform as well as they do in DCS. Still not complaining DCS is consistent and makes them all great .

 

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There is documentation that they perform in a certain way. Some of it (anecdotes) publicly accessible :)

 

Certainly we don't get the full picture since the documents we can get our hands on don't describe caveats etc.

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Who cares what 'lots of forums say' ... do you have a real RCS measurement for it? :) If not, forget it.

 

Not only that, but AFAIK RCS interacts with the chaff rejection calculation so playing around with it negatively impacts another side of realism.

 

 

I got the information here, https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/stealth-aircraft-rcs.htm

 

from there B-52 was 100 m2 , same value in PlaneConst.LUA

 

this mean alots of fault value, F/A-18C should be 3, F-15C should be 25 and not 5,

Su-27 should be 15, Mig-21 should be 3, F-14 should be ALOT BIGGER like 50-100+ :D

 

I don't play ARCADE, please don't make DCS world into ARCADE just for BALANCE issue,

 

for me, I don't care, I just want it real as possible as a simulator,

 

if it was disadvantage, It should be disadvantage, I gonna adjust it back to AS IS


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got another source of information from other forum,

 

* F-15C & Su-27 (RCS = 10~15m2): 450 ~ 600 km

* Tornado (RCS = 8 m2): 420 ~ 500 km

* MIG-29 (RCS = 5 m2): 370 ~ 450 km

* F/A-18C (RCS = 3 m2): 330 ~ 395 km

* F-16C (RCS = 1.2 m2): 260 ~ 310 km

* JAS39 (RCS = 0.5 m2): 210 ~ 250 km

* Su-47 (RCS = 0.3 m2): 185 ~ 220 km

* Rafale (RCS = 0.1~0.2 m2): 140 ~ 200 km

* F-18E (RCS = 0.1 m2): 140 ~ 170 km

* MIG-42 (RCS = 0.1 m2): 140 ~ 170 km

* EF2K (RCS = 0.05~0.1 m2): 120 ~ 170 km

* F-35A (RCS = 0.0015 m2): 50 ~ 60 km

* F/A-22 (RCS < or = 0.0002~0.0005 m2): < or = 30 ~ 45 km

 

f15 , su27 : 10 - 15m2

Tornado: 8 m2

MIG-29: 5 m2

F-18, MIG-21: 3 m2

F-16, M2000: 1~2 m2

 

so far, just the Mig-29 (5) and B-52 (100) was matched,

B-52 = 100

B-1 , Mig-31 = 10

F-18C, Mig-21 = 3,

M2000 = 2

F-16A, Mig-29 = 5

F-16C = 1.2

Tornado = 8

Su-27 = 15

Su-33 = 4-5 ? or 15+ ? (similar like Su-30MKI ?)

Su-30MKI = 4

F-15C = 25

F-14 = 30-50 ? (source said 100x F/A-18E, much bigger then F-15C)


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F-16A at 5 and F-16C at 1.2; is that from DCS or the "information" you gather?

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Ok so they are making assumption on one aircraft I wonder how many more assumption they are making. So opinionated guesses. Never mind

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I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that.

Thank you for you patience.

 

 

Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..

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