What type of SSD should I get?

[ElCuco68]

Right now, I have an Asus Crosshair V formula Z Motherboard, AMD 8350 CPU, a Gigabyte GTX-970 graphics card (hoping to get the 1080Ti soon), 32 GB RAM, liquid cooling, and about 6 or 7 various SSDs and HD's. I'm wanting to use the 500GB SSD to put Windows 10 on (it was on a 128 GB SSD), and transfer DCS and the Oculus Rift stuff from the older 500GB SSD and put it on at least a 1TB, faster SSD. Eventually, I'll get rid of the assortment of smal HDDs, and put everything else on a 6 or 8 TB 7200 rpm drive, keeping the 2TB 7200 drive I already have.

 

What I'm wondering is if it makes sense to spend extra on the newer PCIe NVMe M.2 SSD's, which have insane read/write speeds, to speed up the loading process and help out the Oculus Rift? I'm not even sure if that's even a bottleneck, considering the fact that the MB is a few years old, and having the 8350, or even if that MB will take this newer type and be able to utilize it.

[hansangb]

I'm sure the 1TB NVMe will show up as faster in a benchmark. Will it make that much of a difference for DCS? hard to tell. Although, I would use NVMe on Windows since you want swap partition to be as fast as possible read/write wise. I have NVMe that has Windows that DCS. Everything else (Rift, Steam, other games) are on a 1TB SSD.

 

 

 

Did I notice an earth shattering performance boost going from SSD to NVMe, I don't think so. But given the choice, I'd prioritize CPU/GPU over NVMe vs SSD.

[ElCuco68]

Where would you go from here as far as CPU/GPU, given my setup? My instincts say to start with the 1080Ti, then upgrade to an i7 or i9 and appropriate mobo(which are good picks for DCS and VR?), then maybe a 256 gb NVMe SSD for the OS and a SATA 1 or 2 TB SSD for DCS and VR games?

[Goa]

Where would you go from here as far as CPU/GPU, given my setup? My instincts say to start with the 1080Ti, then upgrade to an i7 or i9 and appropriate mobo(which are good picks for DCS and VR?), then maybe a 256 gb NVMe SSD for the OS and a SATA 1 or 2 TB SSD for DCS and VR games?

 

I used to run my OS ( win 10 64bit pro latest build 1803) ony my SSD Samsung 850evo 500gb whch is a SATA6 ssd, eventualy I upgraded to a NVME M2 SSD Samsung 970evo 500gb which I am currently using for both OS and DCS.

 

There is 0 difference in terms of fps/stuttering/statbility etc, the only difference are the loading times which are just a few seconds faster on the NVMVE ( about 6-8 seconds faster).

 

If you have to upgradde your system I would spare some money and change mobo/cpu and GPU as well, prices for the 1080ti are going to fall down in the next few weeks/months.

 

As for the mobo if you want to save some money you could find some good z370/ 8700k as the prices will decreas as well.

 

on OCTOBER we'll see the new Intel 9th gen + Z390 mobos ( just an upgrade of current Z370 chipset)

[Wexler]

Hey, I have experienced 7200 RPM disk 100MB/s, SSD 500 MB/s read and currently nvme 1,7+ GB/s in last 3 months (DCS 2.5) on Windows 10

 

From my point of view, SSD 500MB/s is enough. And absolutely must in compare to old RPM discs, if you dont want to spend years before loadings

 

I did not have same feeling from SSD 500 to NVME 1,7+ upgrade but its of course better.

 

Im not quite sure that you wont be capped by CPU and RAM. I have upgraded from FX 6350 to Ryzen 7 2700x and this helped very much too. Experience from SSD 500 Mb/s.

 

Conclusion

If you dont care about the money, go for NVME. If you care and rather spend it elsewhere, dont worry. high S-ATA SSD is enough. But the game is currently quite a big and it will grow so its up to you. But there is high price drop expected in next years. So..

[hansangb]

Where would you go from here as far as CPU/GPU, given my setup? My instincts say to start with the 1080Ti, then upgrade to an i7 or i9 and appropriate mobo(which are good picks for DCS and VR?), then maybe a 256 gb NVMe SSD for the OS and a SATA 1 or 2 TB SSD for DCS and VR games?

 

 

 

 

Yup, 1080Ti prices are dropping like a rock. But do keep an eye on your power supply. Make sure it's capable of supplying the added oomph.

[ElCuco68]

I used one of those power supply calculator tools, and it said that with this card, and the 8700k (when I get it, soon), both overclocked, my wattage should be around 720w with everything I have (including all storage, USB devices, RAM, etc), so should I get an 850w or 100w, just in case, or should my EVGA Gold 750w be okay?

[BitMaster]

NOT 750w !!!

 

 

Mine takes 600+Watts when fully stressed and all bells n whistles attached.

In gaming it is FAR less, say 350-400w, but 750 IS too small, even 850 is on the edge.

 

 

I'd get me a 1kW Seasonic Prime Ultra Platinum or Titanium, 225 or 250€ each.

 

 

 

I would not cut corners on a PSU !

[Goa]

I used one of those power supply calculator tools, and it said that with this card, and the 8700k (when I get it, soon), both overclocked, my wattage should be around 720w with everything I have (including all storage, USB devices, RAM, etc), so should I get an 850w or 100w, just in case, or should my EVGA Gold 750w be okay?

 

EVGA PSU sucks .....best PSU out there are seasonic which have best price in terms of performance/per dollar....

 

seasonic focus pro + 750w gold or platinum...

 

read some professional review and avoid that crap of evga

 

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/10/24/seasonic_focus_plus_gold_platinum_750w_review/

[Goa]

NOT 750w !!!

 

 

Mine takes 600+Watts when fully stressed and all bells n whistles attached.

In gaming it is FAR less, say 350-400w, but 750 IS too small, even 850 is on the edge.

 

 

I'd get me a 1kW Seasonic Prime Ultra Platinum or Titanium, 225 or 250€ each.

 

 

 

I would not cut corners on a PSU !

 

1000w is absoultely a waste of money.....just read all the forum around the web...unless you're tunning a 3-SLI configurtation 750w of a modern PSU is more than enough even if you're overlocking.

[kevman]

Evga psu's are fine they are just re badged super flower ones

[BitMaster]

Well, they had PSU's that were underearth quality, truth to be told.

 

 

Recent reviews I read about them tho were a lot better.

 

 

Still, Seasonic has the best bang for the buck in the premium league

[Demon_]

PSU made by Super Flower (unknown is USA) and Seasonic are the best. CWT and Delta are 2nd tier makers.

The EVGA G2/P2/T2 (high end series) are made by Seasonic, the G3 (high end serie) and G2 1300w by Super Flower. You need a tier 1-2 or 2b for gaming. http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page330.htm

Edited August 31, 2018 by Demon_

[Demon_]

https://www.thetechgame.com/Archives/t=5613293/power-supply-guide-the-good-and-the-bad.html

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?108088-Official-XS-Power-Supply-Ranking-Phase-I

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/631048-psu-tier-list-updated/

[Demon_]

I used one of those power supply calculator tools, and it said that with this card, and the 8700k (when I get it, soon), both overclocked, my wattage should be around 720w with everything I have (including all storage, USB devices, RAM, etc), so should I get an 850w or 100w, just in case, or should my EVGA Gold 750w be okay?

 

Approximation (Stress test only).

8700k overclock= 150w

1080ti= 300w

board= 60w

Fans, RAM, drives, usb= 70w

Edited August 31, 2018 by Demon_

[BitMaster]

8700k at 5.2 = 185w red hot chili

[Goa]

8700k at 5.2 = 185w red hot chili

 

at 5.2 if you run heavy bench it could even reach 200W, if you just play normally even a 5,2 you'd neve reach that Wattage :D

 

:lol:

[Demon_]

8700k at 5.2 = 185w red hot chili

:devil_2:

[BitMaster]

Yeah, it's insane what these little dies can swallow and not glow in bright light through the cooler block like a nuclear fire.

[ElCuco68]

Hey Goa, you don't have VR with that rig of yours?

[Emra]

I recently built an 8700K/1080ti system with 32MB 3200Mhz ram and DCS just rocks, even on 4K. I also chose to go with a Samsung NVME M.2 500GB SSD because the MoBo supports it. Why not? M.2 SSD helps with boot times and large scenery files, especially if you run OS/DCS from boot drive as well.

 

If you want proof regarding flight sims and exclusive M.2 (NVME) SSD performance just ask John Vehenma who develops all the ORBX scenery add-ons for Prepare 3D. He claims it does. Not huge, but small collective difference. The latter makes a small difference when coupled with good components. Go for it if you really love flight sims. I won`t go back to regular SSD (SATA) except for storage files. M.2 is so clean (no cables) and blazing fast. Furthermore, they are becoming more affordable every week it seems as I always see them on sale. The only caveat is one needs a new MoBo, but you will need a new one anyway with 8th gen CPU. Therefore, get one with at least two M.2 slots.

 

You can pick-up a good M.2 (NVME) 500GB fairly reasonable now.

Edited September 3, 2018 by Emra

[ElCuco68]

I recently built an 8700K/1080ti system with 32MB 3200Mhz ram and DCS just rocks, even on 4K. I also chose to go with a Samsung NVME M.2 500GB SSD because the MoBo supports it. Why not? M.2 SSD helps with boot times and large scenery files, especially if you run OS/DCS from boot drive as well.

 

If you want proof regarding flight sims and exclusive M.2 (NVME) SSD performance just ask John Vehenma who develops all the ORBX scenery add-ons for Prepare 3D. He claims it does. Not huge, but small collective difference. The latter makes a small difference when coupled with good components. Go for it if you really love flight sims. I won`t go back to regular SSD (SATA) except for storage files. M.2 is so clean (no cables) and blazing fast. Furthermore, they are becoming more affordable every week it seems as I always see them on sale. The only caveat is one needs a new MoBo, but you will need a new one anyway with 8th gen CPU. Therefore, get one with at least two M.2 slots.

 

You can pick-up a good M.2 (NVME) 500GB fairly reasonable now.

 

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[etherbattx]

What type of SSD should I get?

 

how much faster are the load times in dcs with m.2 over the sata ssd?

 

any timings?

[Demon_]

Post #4

[BitMaster]

watch the terminology !

 

 

M2-Sata is not the same as M2-NVMe, they both share the same FormFactor and that is about it.

 

 

Explicitly look for the NVMe label or you end up buying an ordinary Sata based SSD in M2 format, with 550MB/sec r/w !!!