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"Cobra-Resistant" MiG-29?


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probably not the best example, but

 

(high volume warning, the guy decided to randomly yell as much as he can on the mic)

 

Bulgarian MiG-29A

 

also from the newsletter:

 

"A true model of the MiG-29 flight control system that allows you to perform the "cobra" and other "out of the envelope" maneuvers."

 

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And they say the F-16 is complicated designation system :D

 

Yeah :)

 

Alfa, how about the sub-variants?

There is a 9.12A and a 9.12B right?

 

Yes those are export versions - 9.12A is the warsaw pact version, while 9.12B is the one for other nations.

 

SE, 9.13 or 9.13s export version?

 

9.13 is the updated version(Fulcrum C) without N019M/R-77 - no export version of that.

 

9.13S is the MiG-29S - MiG-29SE for export.

 

Peru's SMT, is it base on the 9.19?

 

Don't know about that one - sorry.

 

Isn't the 9.41 the KR and 9.47 the KUBR?

 

Yes and no - 9.41 is the new single seat MiG-29K and 9.47 is the two-seat MiG-29KUB. When Russia adopted these, they added the "R" for "Russia" denoting that the aircraft had been "domesticated" with all-Russian equipment(no third party elements as for the Indian version).

 

Another one off aircraft that was interesting was the Sniper Mig-29.

 

Yes that was the Romanian upgrade(IIRC made with assistance from an Israeli company).

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probably not the best example, but

 

(high volume warning, the guy decided to randomly yell as much as he can on the mic)

 

Bulgarian MiG-29A

 

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That one, at least, is an example of what we can already do in the sim.

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Alfa, how about the sub-variants? There is a 9.12A and a 9.12B right?

 

Those are export variants of the 9.12 - 9.12A is for the WP countries, 9.12B is for the rest.

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Wohoo, this is fun :)

 

 

I'm not sure what actual AoA I achieved, but the fuselage was definitely at 90 degrees to the horizon. It's all more sudden than the Su-33, and it recovers much quicker and without input, rather than "hanging" for a bit at the extreme AoA.

 

 

Just a note, Damper off doesn't seem to be required to cobra. Only stick deflection limiter override. Having said that, it's also a hoot to fly with Damper off!

 

 

The other thing I notice about this plane is that the rudder authority is something else. You can almost sideslip-cobra!

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Just a little observation... Even with the pitch damper turned off, the MiG-29 is really resistant to the Cobra maneuver... Anyone else noticing that?

I can get a good snappy pitch-up at around 400-450 km/h, but even yanking the stick back all the way, it 'quits' at about 45 degrees AoA or a bit more. There isn't a sharp snap to vertical (90 deg. AoA or more) like there is with the Flanker.

 

 

Is this right?

 

 

Could it possibly be the "Pitch kicker"?, I tried to do a Cobra and the stick kept resetting itself to neutral about once every second, even though I held full deflection,

I found this in a MiG29 flight manual online :-

 

"The pitch kicker is designed to prevent inadvertent stalls by moving the control stick forward of neutral when either pich rate or AOA, or a combination of both, reaches the critical value. The computer triggers solenoid valves to operate the hydraulic actuators, which cause the taileron to assume an aircraft nose-down deflection and the control stick to move forward. Thus the pilot is immediately made aware of an approaching stall condition of the aircraft. A force of 17 kp, in addition to normal control forces, applied on the stick can override the pitch kicker.

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Ive no idea how you would override it though in the sim if it is the culprit.

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I guess you did no want to read the rest of the thread.

Press y for the stick deflector override

Press and hold LALT+9 for more than 3 seconds to turn damper off

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No need to be sorry, you did nothing wrong. Just several post before mention all of this.

To whom it may concern,

I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that.

Thank you for you patience.

 

 

Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..

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  • 5 months later...

without dampers been touched:

 

1- air brake on.

2- 2 seconds after. Throttle to idle and pull joystick all the way up for 1/2 - 2 seconds.

3- Full throttle with afterburner and barrel roll while you put the 29 back into horizontal, airbrake off.

4- vertical scanning on and kill this bad boy is on your 12 now.

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