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A10-C in the Afganistan


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Being fair, the A10c was sold to the US military for training purposes, so you would expect it to be pretty realistic.

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I’ve seen that video a few times now and I keep wondering what would pop up on the left side of the HUD that needs to be censored. Obviously something to do with OPSEC but I’m still curious.

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This HUD tape provides great insight into what the actual CAS environment looks like. What I've found so far working with player TACPs throughout training ops in DCS has really surprised me. Having hit the books, spending many sorties over the Nevada desert perfecting attack geometry and mutual support, my first simulated TIC with a player TACP knocked me way out of my comfort zone. Much of the standardization and many of the procedures we had become familiar with fell by the wayside because the guys on the ground needed CAS and they needed it right then and there.

 

-2 in this video even mistakes his role at some point, you can hear it at the 2:19 mark as -2 declares he's in hot and lead responds with, "Dude I said cover." Mistaking a role over the AO can have drastic consequences.. even the real guys get their proverbial "cups" filled now and then... I'm sure that was a debrief item.

 

Awesome find.

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Nice video. I find interesing that they are using full HEI belts in Afganistan. I guess they don't expect to find anything more armoured than a Hilux there...

 

They prefer to avoid sprinkling depleted uranium around...

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This HUD tape provides great insight into what the actual CAS environment looks like. What I've found so far working with player TACPs throughout training ops in DCS has really surprised me. Having hit the books, spending many sorties over the Nevada desert perfecting attack geometry and mutual support, my first simulated TIC with a player TACP knocked me way out of my comfort zone. Much of the standardization and many of the procedures we had become familiar with fell by the wayside because the guys on the ground needed CAS and they needed it right then and there.

 

-2 in this video even mistakes his role at some point, you can hear it at the 2:19 mark as -2 declares he's in hot and lead responds with, "Dude I said cover." Mistaking a role over the AO can have drastic consequences.. even the real guys get their proverbial "cups" filled now and then... I'm sure that was a debrief item.

 

Awesome find.

 

It's amazing how a small, smoldering cinder can become a raging helmet fire in short order.

 

Even in DCS...

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It's amazing how a small, smoldering cinder can become a raging helmet fire in short order.

 

Even in DCS...

No kidding.

 

We had just checked in with our ASOC and within a matter of minutes were informed of a TIC call. ASOC gave us an immediate vector and block altitudes. We got grids, and made our way over. We checked in with the TACP, who informed us of an active line of fire with mortars. He had us first address the threats and then kept rolling us in on immediate push and reattack passes.

 

We had become comfortable with Type 1s and Type 2s holding in keyhole orbits where we had plenty of time to set up for a pass, consider threats, work the geometry out and engage with a shooter and cover.

 

This was so much different.

 

After the known threats had been shacked, we moved to combat trail, accepting the loss of mutual support in favor of speedy reattacks. A million things were running through my head as a lead. Where does this pass put the flight? Is -2 alright with the loss of mutual support? Is -2 looking at the right target? No time to get worked up about datalink... Which way did our TACP want us to pull again? How's my altitude? Is -2 still back there? Gotta think one step ahead, what's next? Watch for threats, stay aware... All while trying to meet the right constraints to not wander into an active mortar line, ensure we're executing the right safe escape maneuvers, maintain communication with -2, keep informed about the dynamic situation on the ground etc etc etc... I tried at first to write everything down on my "kneeboard," but found pretty quickly that that wasn't gonna work - it only added water to my cup. We slicked and had good effects on all of our passes - no major incidents besides a questionable CAF event following an immediate push where our trail had gotten compressed.

 

"Raging helmet fire" is one way to describe it, though we made it work and completed our mission. Plenty of minor transgressions here and there that we analyzed in the debrief... That sortie really pushed me out of my comfort zone and challenged me as a lead and pilot. But I'll be darned if it wasn't the most fun I've ever had in DCS.

 

Debrief was lengthy. Was a great learning experience.

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Great story Kippy! :thumbup:

 

It's certainly a bit off-topic here, but I'd like to share a similar experience.

 

The 132nd had offered to do a JTAC training for anyone interested. Despite having even read a book written by a British JTAC about his tour in Afghanistan, I knew precious little about the actual workings of JTACs and gladly accepted the offer.

 

So the next weekend we all met up on TS, got a very in-depth lecture by an extremely knowledgeable gentleman and then went onto their DCS server to do a bit of hands-on training.

 

The next day, we (3 or 4 JTAC newbies) went back onto their server, this time filled with lots of pilots who were there to support us.

 

I was already quite nervous, had prepared a bunch of paper sheets for 9-lines and stuff and just didn't want to screw up. My first tasking was very simple and went smooth, so that helped me calm down a bit.

 

Then came the second tasking: guide a rescue helo for a medevac. Well, I've certainly never done that before in DCS, but okay. The pilot told me he had a Ka-50 escort. With almost no knowledge of the enemy forces near the LZ, I asked the Ka-50 to do a low and fast fly-over to see if he would draw fire, while I had the Mi-8 orbit at his current position.

 

Sure enough, the Ka-50 was immediately fired upon by green tracers, which meant BTR-80. While I was furiously scanning the ground to see where the tracers came from, I saw rotor blade shrapnel raining down, followed by the impact of the Ka-50. Well that certainly didn't go too well.

 

A few moments later, the downed pilot called me up on my freq - he'd ejected and was down on the ground. The APC was still close by, so I asked him to seek shelter. Moments later, I saw the APC running around the area in circles - he obviously didn't want to let the pilot get rescued that easily.

 

Then I remembered what my job actually was: to call in CAS. I called up the A-10 that had worked my previous tasking, told him to get closer and improvised a 9-line. The pilot had trouble acquiring the BTR, because the damn thing was driving pretty erratic patterns all over the place. Finally, the pilot got the BTR and I had him rifle his last Maverick. And it missed.

 

The BTR was starting to speed away from the downed pilot, but could have returned at any moment. Meanwhile, the downed pilot reported hearing more armor and wanted to know if those were friendlies. I learned later that they were, but at the time I wasn't sure and told him to maintain cover.

 

The A-10 also dropped a GBU-12 at the APC, which also missed. But the APC was now so far away that I didn't consider it a threat any longer. I was also informed that friendly tanks had relocated to the position of the downed pilot, so I cleared the Mi-8 in to pick up the pilot and also do the medevac that was his original tasking.

 

That day wasn't particularly hot, but I was completely drenched in sweat after that tasking.

 

What a wonderful experience, and to this day one of the best times I ever had in DCS. :thumbup:

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A good demonstration of how dynamic the ground situation can be and how detailed integration between friendly air and ground forces is a necessity.

 

Really important lesson to be learned with the BTR - don't get so worked up about annihilating a threat outside of your mission scope. It's often overlooked because DCS doesn't really model suppression or firepower/maneuverability kills. If the BTR becomes a non-factor because he drives off after getting a bomb and a missile slung at him, continue with the mission. The BTR is present to obstruct your forces. If you're spending all your time focused on him and not your actual mission - he's obstructing your mission and in effect, completing his. In my first CAS training sortie with a player JTAC I was missed a T-55 I was slinging bombs at out at 62A. The effects landed close, but didn't blow it up like we're all accustomed to from DCS. I was expecting an immediate push and reattack clearance from the JTAC for failing to shack my target, but he came back with "Hammer41, good effects, target detracked and suppressed.."

 

Reminds you, the K-kill isn't everything.

 

Awesome work and good calls.

 

JTAC training is cool stuff to do. Most of us here are pilots, but understanding a situation from the perspective of the ground forces from experience is incredibly valuable.

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Thats a great video thanks for sharing.

 

 

"Dude I said cover" lol.....He always got the tally first but never did he shoot he just sat back as flight leads got the kills and when Lead would **** him over he never would complain the thought never even crossed his mind....

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"Dude I said cover" lol.....He always got the tally first but never did he shoot he just sat back as flight leads got the kills and when Lead would **** him over he never would complain the thought never even crossed his mind....

 

Yeah, I'm just waiting for a DCS mission where I can say that to my wingman. :D

 

My impression was lead was tally and #2 wasn't, so it made perfect sense to go Shooter-Cover. #2 also never said he was tally, so it's understandable that lead doesn't start a long-winded discussion and just reminds #2 of their contract.

 

It also made sense that #1 would do the following runs, as he was sure of his SA (the JTAC had confirmed good hits on the first run).

 

And I think in such a situation no one is thinking about scores; their job is to protect the guys on the ground, and in this video it seems they did a hell of a job.

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