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Just picking up tidbits here and there but it appears the CPU market will get very interesting soon. Newest Chips from AMD build on new architecture appear to be able to more than challenge Intel's latest... I really hope we again get into a CPU battle that ends up in annual generations that exceed the previous by 100%... Then graphene and quantum computing and... Is it even possible to imagine the kind of VR flying experience we'll have when the core technology is 10000 or 100000 times faster than what we have now? Crazy.

 

 

CPU nerds out there: Please comment on how you guess the new AMD chips will perform...

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I hedged my bets on AMD when I built my system last year.

 

I bought a first gen Ryzen with a high end motherboard with the knowledge that the current chip was not going to perform as well in single thread (DCS), but would be forward compatible with the next few generations of Ryzen on the AM4 socket. With the marginal increases from Ryzen+ this year, I decided to skip this generation - but everything I’ve read about next year’s Ryzen 2 is very encouraging. Though it’s obviously all rumour and conjecture, it sounds like Ryzen 2 on 7nm will have 10-15% increases in IPC with clock speeds now pushing closer to that 5ghz barrier.

 

I am hoping this spring my decision to go AM4 will pay off!

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I believe Zen 2 will really force Intel to be more competitive. Currently Intel's only edge over Ryzen is clock speed. Ryzen has the greatest value and with Intel bringing the i9 out and nerfing the i7 to no hyper-threading for 9th gen I think Intel is really hurting itself in the race for best consumer processor. Not to mention, Zen 2 will be on a 7nm process only bringing better performance over Intel's struggle to surpass 14nm.

 

I'm also excited for AMD's 7nm video cards which should come out early 2019.

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I'm looking to put together a new pc, specifically for DCS. Am I right that for single core clockspeeds, Intel will remain king, and the reasons to wait for Zen 2 would be lower power consumption; price, while running at almost equal clock speeds (4.8 or so)?

 

It’s hard to say, and for what it’s worth, a lot of the online speculation anticipates Ryzen 2 will be at least on par with Intel’s best single core, and better multi core.

 

The thing is, Ryzen is a new architecture and has a lot of room to grow and improve, while Intel’s core architecture is far more mature, and harder to continue squeezing additional performance out of. I think Intel will need a new core architecture sooner rather than later in order to remain competitive...

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I hate my Intel so much that my sole hope is on 7nm Threadripper :)

 

 

They will likely turn the tide, lower wattage, more cores, "hopefully" on par IPC

and likely very good clocks too, thanks to 7nm.

 

 

I think, in 12-18month, AMD is the #1 choice for many. Intel looses ground, the 9900k cheats like no other with TDP, gets hotter again, the price Intel payed to pull even in cores but remain the clock advantage is awefull high, too high for many Air Coolers and AIO so to speak.

 

 

I have no doubt that the 7nm AMD CPU will outperform current Intel's by the time they arrive, in price/performance for sure but also in total performance.

 

 

My actual concern goes with the GPU's. That's where Lisa Su needs to pull even too.

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last weeks AMD announcement was on the server side. Of course thats good news because eventually it will trickle down to consumer chips but we dont know any concrete data on it.

 

yeah Intel is in deep trouble.

 

Waiting for news with anticipation (intend to change CPU next year).

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They will likely turn the tide, lower wattage, more cores, "hopefully" on par IPC

and likely very good clocks too, thanks to 7nm.

 

 

My actual concern goes with the GPU's. That's where Lisa Su needs to pull even too.

 

Rumors have it that AMD will add more cores but I'm doubtful. Massive amount of cores is what Threadripper is for. It would hurt AMD's line-up if they increase core count above ten.

 

7nm video cards from AMD is very interesting. Sellers, in the States at least, have pulled Vega 64's from the market while Vega 56 is still available. Probably a sales strategy for AMD's 7nm release.

 

Also if AMD's 7nm video cards don't deliver, we are in big trouble competition wise. nVidia is far too expensive for their top tier cards and the sheer size of them is obscene.

 

Hopefully all goes well with AMD's release of Zen 2 and their 7nm video cards (I forget the code name...Navi perhaps?) After getting shafted by nVidia on the GTX 970 3.5 GB of memory instead of advertised 4GB I won't be buying an nVidia video card unless AMD really drops the ball.

 

2019 will likely be the year for AMD. I'm eagerly awaiting AMD's release to switch over from Intel and nVidia.

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Until recently I was going for an R7-2700X build but when I realised how poor the 32GB memory support on X470 was, combined with the need for fast expensive memory to best utilise the CPU I'm now planning an Intel build.

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Until recently I was going for an R7-2700X build but when I realised how poor the 32GB memory support on X470 was, combined with the need for fast expensive memory to best utilise the CPU I'm now planning an Intel build.

 

Nahh, it aint that bad, just make sure you can send them back or ask the retailer what combos they have successfully sold with 2700x/32GB/"your board here" kits. It's not impossible.

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amd is useless for DCS, dcs needs high speed single thread performance, which is granted by intel.

 

With an amd cpu you can barely mantain 4.0 ghz. overclocking....

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and btw, what's the need to have 10000 cores when DCS uses 1 core??

 

eh??? i cant get it

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and btw, what's the need to have 10000 cores when DCS uses 1 core??

 

eh??? i cant get it

 

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4.4G on a Threadripper and 4.3G on Ryzen+, it's not that bad upwards of 1080p according many reports here. I dare to say, at 1440p it wont matter.

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amd is useless for DCS, dcs needs high speed single thread performance, which is granted by intel.

 

With an amd cpu you can barely mantain 4.0 ghz. overclocking....

 

This may change with 7nm Ryzen 2 next year. Time will tell!

 

In the meantime, my first gen Ryzen holds its own, and my motherboard will accept next years chip, 3 generations after the original. I’d love to see Intel do that!

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amd is useless for DCS, dcs needs high speed single thread performance, which is granted by intel.

 

With an amd cpu you can barely mantain 4.0 ghz. overclocking....

 

AMD used to suck but not anymore, their current processors are competitive and they run DCS great, next gen will perhaps top the benchmark charts, anyone with an AMD board can make this upgrade cheaply.

 

Also from my testing DCS is no longer a single core affair, the GPU matters more on any modern decent CPU.

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whoa! thats the first time i’ve heard that. and not my experience for sure.

 

can anyone else confirm?

 

I got a 14% bump in FPS when I changed the CPU from 2500K to 1700X with a 970GTX and then got 68% improvement when my current 1080Ti was installed. I had a thread with screenshots, one of them is below.

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amd is useless for DCS, dcs needs high speed single thread performance, which is granted by intel.

 

 

 

With an amd cpu you can barely mantain 4.0 ghz. overclocking....

 

 

 

it is not true...i tried 2700x and it was great at 4.3GHz with the right cooling.

The only thing for which r7 is inferior to Intel in DCS is VR, there the performance difference is higher...but in 2d you can stay over the 70 most of the time....

Yes now i have an i9 but just because i am an impatient baby that whished to have the best possible performance in VR....

But will see what Zen2 will bring on the table

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Don't forget, after all our TiR5's are "LOCKED" at 60 fps.

 

Why argue anymore, kinda sad kinda true

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