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1440p

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DCS2.5

X-Plane11

 

So I decided to go for an Intel rather than a Ryzen build mainly because of the lack of 32GB DDR4 kit support X470 boards and higher Intel clock speeds. Still not convinced an i7 is worth it for DCS or Xplane:

Need to narrow down components, below is what I'm considering, green I already have, all comments welcome.

 

CPU

i5-9700K

i5-8600K

H/S

Dark Rock Pro 4 BK022

Noctua NH-D15

GPU

EVGA GTX 1080Ti FTW3

RAM

32GP (2x16) 3200MHz CL14 / CL15 ???

M/B

Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra

Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro

Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Elite

Z370 equivalents to above???

Storage

2X Samsung 860 Evo 500GB (for OS + FS)

PSU

Corsair TX750

Corsair RM750x

Seasonic Focus Gold 750

Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 750

Case

Fractal Design Meshify C

Other high airflow???

Display

Acer Predator XB271HU IPS 27"

Controllers

Saitek X52 Pro HOTAS

Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS

CH Rudder Pedals

TrackIR

Regards, Django.

| BMS | DCS OB | A-10C II | AV-8B | F-16C | F/A-18C | FC3 | Persian Gulf | Supercarrier | Tacview | XP11 | FF A320 | FF 757 |

| I7-9700K + NH-D15 | RTX3080Ti 12GB | DDR4-3200 16GB | Aorus Z390 Ultra | 2X Evo 860 1TB | 850W | Torrent Case |

| Warthog HOTAS + CH Pedals | 32" TV 1080p 60Hz | TrackIR5 |

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Any thoughts on the Gigabyte Aorus boards? The Elite, Pro and Ultra all have the same VRM.

Regards, Django.

| BMS | DCS OB | A-10C II | AV-8B | F-16C | F/A-18C | FC3 | Persian Gulf | Supercarrier | Tacview | XP11 | FF A320 | FF 757 |

| I7-9700K + NH-D15 | RTX3080Ti 12GB | DDR4-3200 16GB | Aorus Z390 Ultra | 2X Evo 860 1TB | 850W | Torrent Case |

| Warthog HOTAS + CH Pedals | 32" TV 1080p 60Hz | TrackIR5 |

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I'm looking at a DCS build and thinking i5 9600K it's only a 6 core 6 thread but DCS doesn't benefit from hyperthreading.

 

I think the z390 pretty much any flavour I'm looking at the lower end EVGA range mobo but latter I have an upgrade path for the CPU. for the 9600k I save over 200 bucks over the the other 9xxx CPU's currently on offer. Besides I'm not sure for DCS whether any of the features the high end boards have really do anything for DCS anyway.

 

As for i5/i7 on my i7 5930k I get up to 16~18% CPU utilisation 1 core peddling pretty hard another core doing a bit and the other 10 cores doing sod all under DCS but when I render NEF's out to jpgs it's great to watch all 12 cores hit full utilisation.

 

Having said that Vulkan API threatens to provide multi core utilisation so that might be interesting for AMD threadripper offerings.

 

I currently have a NH D15 on my OCed i7 5930@4.7Ghz I've only bothered to put 1 fan on and it's more than enough to keep the CPU cool even on a 40c day, although it's too hot to strap a heater umm Rift to your face when the temps are like that.

 

32GB is nice to have.

 

PSU's 750W to 850W is more than enough.

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Currently rolling with a Asus Z390 Prime, 9600K, 32GB RAM, SSD, 2080Ti and Windows 10Pro, Rift CV1. bu0836x and Scratch Built Pedals, Collective and Cyclic.

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It's for DCS, and DCS - currently - feeds off of raw horsepower.

 

I'd go with the 9700k, I hear you could o'clock that effortlessly up to 5 or a little higher.

Invest in a closed loop water cooler. Probably better in the long run.

I'd go with the seasonic plus gold psu

As far as the other components are concerned, just make sure ram is consistent with the VRM of the mobo you decide to get.

HD? Hopefully an SSD

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Any benefit to current VR hardware on an i7 vs an i5?

Regards, Django.

| BMS | DCS OB | A-10C II | AV-8B | F-16C | F/A-18C | FC3 | Persian Gulf | Supercarrier | Tacview | XP11 | FF A320 | FF 757 |

| I7-9700K + NH-D15 | RTX3080Ti 12GB | DDR4-3200 16GB | Aorus Z390 Ultra | 2X Evo 860 1TB | 850W | Torrent Case |

| Warthog HOTAS + CH Pedals | 32" TV 1080p 60Hz | TrackIR5 |

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That's maybe not too precise anymore, rather ask how many REAL cores make sense.

 

New i5's have more cores, new i7 's may have no HT, it all changed.

 

but to answer, i think more than 4 cores makes sense, 6-8. I'd pick and 8-pack chip now

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This is what I'm considering:

GREEN = already owned

Red = comments / questions

 

CPU

i7-9700K

(8 cores makes sense for future proofing, don't need HT for flight sims.)

H/S

Noctua NH-D15

GPU

EVGA GTX 1080Ti FTW3

RAM

G.Skill Trident Z 32GB (2x16) 3200MHz CL14-14-14-34

G.Skill Ripjaws V Z 32GB (2x16) 3200MHz CL14-14-14-34

(Both are Samsung B-Die so what's the difference???)

 

M/B

Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Elite

(Same VRM as the Pro or Ultra - can't see how basic OCing will be much better???)

Z370???

Storage

2X Samsung 860 Evo 500GB (OS + FS)

PSU

Corsair TX750

Corsair RM750x

Seasonic Focus Gold 750

Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 750

(As far as I can tell there's no difference in each product line other than one is semi modular???)

Case

Fractal Design Meshify C

Full tower high airflow (particularly with a large air CPU cooler)???

Display

Acer Predator XB271HU 27" GSync IPS

Controllers

Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS

CH Rudder Pedals

TrackIR

Regards, Django.

| BMS | DCS OB | A-10C II | AV-8B | F-16C | F/A-18C | FC3 | Persian Gulf | Supercarrier | Tacview | XP11 | FF A320 | FF 757 |

| I7-9700K + NH-D15 | RTX3080Ti 12GB | DDR4-3200 16GB | Aorus Z390 Ultra | 2X Evo 860 1TB | 850W | Torrent Case |

| Warthog HOTAS + CH Pedals | 32" TV 1080p 60Hz | TrackIR5 |

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The Corsair RMx is a Tier 1 (Highest Quality PSUs). Corsair TX, Seasonic Focus and Focus Plus are Tier 2 (High Quality (less than Tier 1)). I have a Seasonic X-850, run 24/7, and i sleep very well.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/631048-psu-tier-list-updated/

https://www.thetechgame.com/Archives/t=5613293/power-supply-guide-the-good-and-the-bad.html

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?108088-Official-XS-Power-Supply-Ranking-Phase-I


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The Corsair RMx is a Tier 1 (Highest Quality PSUs). Corsair TX, Seasonic Focus and Focus Plus are Tier 2 (High Quality (less than Tier 1)).

Q) Why is the Corsair TX less quality than the RMx when the only difference seems to be that the main power cable is not modular?

Q) What makes the Corsair RMx "better" than the Seasonic Focus? In reviews the Sesonic Focus often come out on top (in the end I'll probably just go for the best deal but just wondering).

Regards, Django.

| BMS | DCS OB | A-10C II | AV-8B | F-16C | F/A-18C | FC3 | Persian Gulf | Supercarrier | Tacview | XP11 | FF A320 | FF 757 |

| I7-9700K + NH-D15 | RTX3080Ti 12GB | DDR4-3200 16GB | Aorus Z390 Ultra | 2X Evo 860 1TB | 850W | Torrent Case |

| Warthog HOTAS + CH Pedals | 32" TV 1080p 60Hz | TrackIR5 |

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The Corsair TX has a 5 years warranty, the RMx 10 years. The RMx has 100% Japanese 105°C capacitors (high quality), the TX not. The TX is a bronze certified efficiency, he will generate more heat and his components will degrade faster. The TX platform (3.3v rail transient response is not good and the ripple at +12v is a little high) is not as good as the RMx platform.

This is the TX-M, not the TX: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-tx750m-psu,5062-11.html

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-rm750x-power-supply,4303-8.html


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The Seasonic (Focus 7 years warranty, Focus Plus 10 years) are very good (Tier 2) for their price, but not a top end like the RMx (Tier 1). The mid-range platform of the Focus has some weakness. The 3.3v transient response, the 5vsb rail has a 3% deviation (could be better), the hold-on time is a little high. Because of his compact size, the Focus use a 120mm fan that spins faster, noisier than a 135-140mm.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/seasonic-ssr-750fx-focus-plus-750-gold-psu,5206-4.html

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A weak PSU is like a Porsche on 195er Winter tyres and 80* fuel only. It won't serve you nice.

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Again, and again. I will repeat this every time. Don't buy a decent PSU, but instead buy an excellent PSU. If you do that it will, most likely, carry you through your next two or three builds. From that perspective it will actually be cheaper than buying three 'decent' PSU's. A cheap CPU or GPU has never destroyed an entire computer, a cheap PSU has, can and will.


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Again, and again. I will repeat this every time. Don't buy a decent PSU, but instead buy an excellent PSU. If you do that it will, most likely, carry you through your next two or three builds. From that perspective it will actually be cheaper than buying three 'decent' PSU's. A cheap CPU or GPU has never destroyed an entire computer, a cheap PSU has, can and will.

 

 

two or three !!??

 

 

 

 

purchased early 2015: 2600k-->6700k-->7700k-->8700k

 

 

Built #4 and still going strong, tho..its only 4 years old this coming Xmas

 

 

It should last 6-8 years and should be replaced in the 8th-10th year or when it doesnt hold the power anymore ( 10 year warranty ).

 

 

Yeah, never ever skip the PSU.

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two or three !!??

 

 

 

 

purchased early 2015: 2600k-->6700k-->7700k-->8700k

 

 

Built #4 and still going strong, tho..its only 4 years old this coming Xmas.

 

Not everyone upgrades as often as you and I, and until recently, upgrades often required more power. An upgrade every three years would still allow a top end PSU to be good for three upgrade cycles. Hell, I have an AX750 in a box on the shelf because I upgraded that machine to a more powerful PSU. I would sell it online except the weight makes the shipping not worth it to most people.

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OK so this is what I'm thinking on pulling the trigger on before Xmas:

GREEN = already owned

 

CPU

i7-9700K £400

H/S

Noctua NH-D15 £80

GPU

EVGA GTX 1080Ti FTW3

RAM

G.Skill Trident Z 32GB (2x16) 3200MHz CL14-14-14-34 £405

M/B

Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Elite £163

Storage

Samsung 860 Evo 500GB £72

Samsung 860 Evo 500GB £72

1TB SATA2 HD

PSU

Corsair RM750x £90

Case

Anidees AI8 Full Tower Case £90

Display

Acer Predator XB271HU 27" GSync IPS £600

Controllers

Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS £110

CH Rudder Pedals

TrackIR

Other stuff

Windows 10 Home Retail £100

X-rite i1 Display Pro monitir calibrator £178

Display Port 1.4 cable 3m £10

 

= £2370

Q) What do you think?

Q) Should I wait until after Xmas (I think I might get a better deal on the Thrustmaster HOTAS)?


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Regards, Django.

| BMS | DCS OB | A-10C II | AV-8B | F-16C | F/A-18C | FC3 | Persian Gulf | Supercarrier | Tacview | XP11 | FF A320 | FF 757 |

| I7-9700K + NH-D15 | RTX3080Ti 12GB | DDR4-3200 16GB | Aorus Z390 Ultra | 2X Evo 860 1TB | 850W | Torrent Case |

| Warthog HOTAS + CH Pedals | 32" TV 1080p 60Hz | TrackIR5 |

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I have come across RAM "T-topology" on Gigabyte Z390 Aorus boards.

 

Q) What difference does this make to the selection of RAM? For a 32GB 3200MHz kit would I be better off with 2x16 or 4x8?

 

Q) What about other Z390 manufacturers?

 

Q) Is T-topology chipset specific?

Regards, Django.

| BMS | DCS OB | A-10C II | AV-8B | F-16C | F/A-18C | FC3 | Persian Gulf | Supercarrier | Tacview | XP11 | FF A320 | FF 757 |

| I7-9700K + NH-D15 | RTX3080Ti 12GB | DDR4-3200 16GB | Aorus Z390 Ultra | 2X Evo 860 1TB | 850W | Torrent Case |

| Warthog HOTAS + CH Pedals | 32" TV 1080p 60Hz | TrackIR5 |

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My Corsair HX1000 PSU is about 10 years old and has been serving me well since my 920 build. At least 3 or 4 upgrades in that time up to an 8700K I am about to upgrade to on that rig. Frankly every time I put a new board in that PC I am surprised that PSU is still ticking. It was also turned on 24/7 for at least 7 out of the 10 years it's been running. That being said, it will probably fail on me now!

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T-style design is being used by many vendors, afaik Asus was the first one with DDR3-Z77 chipsets doing it that way.

 

The "T" stands for EQUAL length of circuits to either module, allowing more precise timing and thus better "highest" achievable overclocks etc...

 

T = good...and it is STANDARD on every new half-decent motherboard

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