Never get the wire Case1

[Fonz_408]

So I'm having a real problem catching the wire when i do a case 1.. but ive not missed a case III wire yet??? Everything is the same AOA, descent , on speed.. everything but i always miss the wire for case1 first time around.. I can even put cross wind on for a case III and still not problem?? And i would love to watch a reply of my case1 but every time i try the hornet just falls out of the sky in the reply and crashs some way or another.. what is going on????

[shagrat]

Replays are buggy, since forever, especially with wind active.

 

You may want to try Alerax's LSO 2.2 Script Mission.

 

Just tune in the correct channel, hit F10 and request "enter pattern".

Now fly the standard CASE I pattern and in the Groove you get voice overs to correct...

 

Also carefully check you have on-speed AOA and trimmed to 8.0/8.1 on the FCS page.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=223672

[Sandman1330]

Wait - the FCS page can tell you what AoA you are trimmed to? Where on the page is this info presented? I know newer model hornets give it to you on the HUD, but not ours.

 

Right now I’m just doing 3 seconds of nose up trim to get in the ballpark, then fiddling to perfect the e bracket on downwind. If there’s a more precise method...

[backspace340]

Wait - the FCS page can tell you what AoA you are trimmed to? Where on the page is this info presented? I know newer model hornets give it to you on the HUD, but not ours.

 

Right now I’m just doing 3 seconds of nose up trim to get in the ballpark, then fiddling to perfect the e bracket on downwind. If there’s a more precise method...

 

I've not seen it there - what you can check is your stab trim, 10/11 is what you'll see when you're on speed (when it's settled, if you're moving around lots it will fluctuate a lot more than that).

[Lex Talionis]

you have the E bracket in the hud, that tells you if your on speed or not. There is really no need for the fcs page, just trim the velocity vector to the middle of the E bracket. That is the entire reason it is there .

Edited November 26, 2018 by Lex Talionis

[javelina1]

I use the FCS to help get me to the 8.0/8.1. But indeed, keeping within the E bracket of the HUD is where I have most of the focus.

[Fonz_408]

Replays are buggy, since forever, especially with wind active.

 

You may want to try Alerax's LSO 2.2 Script Mission.

 

Just tune in the correct channel, hit F10 and request "enter pattern".

Now fly the standard CASE I pattern and in the Groove you get voice overs to correct...

 

Also carefully check you have on-speed AOA and trimmed to 8.0/8.1 on the FCS page.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=223672

 

This sounds good I might give it a go..

[Vitormouraa]

So I'm having a real problem catching the wire when i do a case 1.. but ive not missed a case III wire yet??? Everything is the same AOA, descent , on speed.. everything but i always miss the wire for case1 first time around.. I can even put cross wind on for a case III and still not problem?? And i would love to watch a reply of my case1 but every time i try the hornet just falls out of the sky in the reply and crashs some way or another.. what is going on????

 

Are you flaring it off by the way?

[shagrat]

For me the key was to trim 8.1 way before the 90° and then trust the ball.

Better a little high, than low. One light above the green. Then fly the approach down to the deck, as if you want to pass right through it.

Do not flare or try to smooth the approach, just fly the ball, all the way down to the deck.

[Kazius]

For the FCS page there are numbers at the bottom of the page. The numbers are not in boxes, just at the bottom. On the image below you see L 5.1 and R 5.1. That is your trim you want to have at 8.1 when you are on a 3 degree decent.

 

Edited November 26, 2018 by Kazius

[Fonz_408]

That's for the trips guys.. think ive got it worked out now with all these tips.. I've now done about 3hrs this arvo just doing case1

[AvgWhiteGuy]

Can anyone tell me where to find the details of what is on the FCS page and how to use it? I've asked about why it it so important on Carriers landings, or any time after initial takeoff, and can't seem to get an answer.

[Skwinty]

https://publicintelligence.net/u-s-navy-f-18-natops-flight-manuals/

[Fonz_408]

There lots of stuff on it that i dont understand but more or less it lets you know your trim setting for landing.

 

In other news ive think ive got my case1 nutted now :thumbup::smartass: 7 out of 7 wires today.. the problem was i was coming in just alittle to high and the hook was missing the wire.. I'm now getting the 2nd or 3rd wire now :joystick:

Edited November 28, 2018 by Fonz_408

[AvgWhiteGuy]

@Fonz 408....everyone is talking about AOA, trim, E-Bracket, etc...but that doesn't seem to address what YOU have said; You're able to do Case III without significant issues but you're having difficulties with Case I.

I suspect it has more to do with peripheral issues like....the onslaught of sensory information coming thru your peripheral vision. Flying Case I presents a ton of sensory information that our minds need to compartmentalize whereas Case III has a lot less and allows us to focus more even though it's more difficult and intimidating.

In my initial experience in learning the landing technique (AOA, trim..all that stuff above) I found that land-based night approaches and landings actually made it easier because there wasn't all that peripheral sensory clutter providing millisecond distractions from the task at hand. Does this make sense to you?

[AvgWhiteGuy]

@Skwinty....thanks, this must be the Bible and required reading...

[Skwinty]

Indeed. Check fig 2.16 and the preceding text for FCS page explanation.

[Fonz_408]

@Fonz 408....everyone is talking about AOA, trim, E-Bracket, etc...but that doesn't seem to address what YOU have said; You're able to do Case III without significant issues but you're having difficulties with Case I.

I suspect it has more to do with peripheral issues like....the onslaught of sensory information coming thru your peripheral vision. Flying Case I presents a ton of sensory information that our minds need to compartmentalize whereas Case III has a lot less and allows us to focus more even though it's more difficult and intimidating.

In my initial experience in learning the landing technique (AOA, trim..all that stuff above) I found that land-based night approaches and landings actually made it easier because there wasn't all that peripheral sensory clutter providing millisecond distractions from the task at hand. Does this make sense to you?

 

Yes it makes prefect cents mate :thumbup: