[RESOLVED] Weapons: still able to have a mixed loadout

[ZHeN]

... Super 530D + bombs

 

which leads to more bugs:

[Snowblind]

interesting, i hope they fix this soon, its pretty game breaking for the mirage

[Esac_mirmidon]

Seeing the same here, good catch Zhen.

 

Only one thing, im able to make TWS locks without losing it after 7 seconds. I mean in a normal A/A situation, not in this particular jettison issue.

 

Are you doing something else to lose the TWS lock?

 

Because i've never experienced that problem.

 

Thanks

[ZHeN]

Seeing the same here, good catch Zhen.

 

Only one thing, im able to make TWS locks without losing it after 7 seconds. I mean in a normal A/A situation, not in this particular jettison issue.

 

Are you doing something else to lose the TWS lock?

 

Because i've never experienced that problem.

 

Thanks

manual TWS lock in full A/A config works fine:

one more thing about TWS dropping lock, not described in the video:

same thing happens to RDO locks (no A-G weapons onboard)

if you TWS lock a contact using RDO function, the radar will stop updating contact's position and the lock would drop in 7 seconds

works fine if you TWS lock it 'manually'

try RDO TWS locks in full A/A config - you'll be losing locks every 7 sec

[Tripleinside]

i'm not sure 530+GBU's is a standard configuration IRL in the first place, but it shouldn't induce such a behavious of the radar sometimes refusing PSID and switching directly to PSIC...

 

good catch, even if we shouldn't be in this situation in the first place (jettisoning gbus to use 530s) ;)

[ZHeN]

jojo mentioned the weapon system can't manage 530D's + A-G loadouts ... so wouldn't really work IRL anyway

[Tripleinside]

yep...

[cypc]

Indeed, from flight manual, page 211 :

 

The M-2000C can load a number of different air-to-air missiles and air-to-ground munitions. However, due to limitations of the targeting computer, it is not possible to mix Super 530D missiles with air-to-ground weapons, and not possible either to mix different kinds of air-to-ground weapons. Doing so (for instance rockets and bombs, Mk-82s and Belougas etc.) may result in system not being able to handle the configuration and thus not work properly.

[Tripleinside]

we all agree it isn't a supported configuration, the SNA's logic would be unable to release the weapons at worst, but here the radar is going awol... sometimes using PSID sometimes using PSIC... it's a bug, no doubt about it, and in my opinion, it's related to the automatic switching to PSIC i was mentionning in Zhen's radar lock loss thread

[jojo]

interesting, i hope they fix this soon, its pretty game breaking for the mirage

 

The fix would be to mess your PCA so you can't use any weapon.

 

Yes there is a bug, but no showstopper here:

- shouldn't load AG weapons with Super 530D.

- shouldn't use RDO function which isn't functional and doesn't do what it should.

[ZHeN]

what should RDO do jojo ?

[ZHeN]

any progress ?

[ZHeN]

bumping as per Elmo's request on discord

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

Hi guys. Inquiring about the TWS. I need recent trk files for this separate from the A-G = S530

 

As for the bug with S530 and GBUs, yeah IRl they cannot work in tandem, and while you cant make it so that it can be carried in game.... its not designed to function that way. Theres a difference between MULTI-ROLE and MULTI-MISSION. The Mirage can carry R550 IR missiles yes but they can function outside of the aircrafts systems ( though they can be made to work in tandem with radar lock slew). A MULTI-ROLE aircraft like the mirage can perform both A/G missions and A/A missions but not simultaneously. Its one or the other. So if you are experiencing problems while having S530 and A/G ordinance you now know why. Yes you can but no you should not.

 

Once I have the trk for the TWS I will move that along to the internal system.

[ZHeN]

this TWS bug should be related to mixed loadout (another critical TWS bug was fixed about two years ago)

 

mixed loadout is still available - this should go

[myHelljumper]

Hi guys. Inquiring about the TWS. I need recent trk files for this separate from the A-G = S530

 

As for the bug with S530 and GBUs, yeah IRl they cannot work in tandem, and while you cant make it so that it can be carried in game.... its not designed to function that way. Theres a difference between MULTI-ROLE and MULTI-MISSION. The Mirage can carry R550 IR missiles yes but they can function outside of the aircrafts systems ( though they can be made to work in tandem with radar lock slew). A MULTI-ROLE aircraft like the mirage can perform both A/G missions and A/A missions but not simultaneously. Its one or the other. So if you are experiencing problems while having S530 and A/G ordinance you now know why. Yes you can but no you should not.

 

Once I have the trk for the TWS I will move that along to the internal system.

 

The TWS bug should be in another thread.

 

I think the bug is : "The aircraft allows the loading of mixed loadouts and some of them allow the use of two different weapons (excluding magics and cannon) while some of them are unusable"

 

And the fix would be : "The loadout editor forbids the use of mixed loadouts (excluding magics and cannon)" or "The PCA shows an error message and forbids weapon employment when a mixed loadout is used (excluding magics and cannon)"

[Azrayen]

Agreed. PCA showing an error and preventing weapons use would do the trick (*).

 

Chances are that's what would happen IRL if attempted (if little birds are to be trusted) ;)

 

(*) plus ensuring that each and every "wrong" loadouts are removed from the module:

- default loadouts from the mission editor

- loadouts in default missions, instant action, trainings, campaigns

 

Regards

Az'

[Kercheiz]

Also, until the bug is fixed, there shouldn't be a loadout preset with mixed weapons (BLG66 Heavy Support if remember right has BLG66+S530D)

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

Just m,arking this as I forgot to before hand.

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

Weapon limitations adjusted in previous patch. No longer able to mix loadouts. Marking as RESOLVED and moving to RESOLVED