Hawk and 2.5.4

[Deadpoetic6]

From the module purchase page : "Attention! Starting DCS World version 2.5.4 this module will be unavailable! Please use DCS World version 2.5.3 or below!"

 

Does that mean that if we update to 2.5.4 and beyond, we wont be able to use the hawk??

[clafly]

Yes

[Tread_Head57]

Feel bad for the people who purchased it during the fall sale. They’ll get 3-4 months of use out of it before their “rental” expires.

[Elnocho3]

Feel bad for the people who purchased it during the fall sale. They’ll get 3-4 months of use out of it before their “rental” expires.

 

That’s absolutely horrendous! How can existing customers not be allowed to use it, but also not be able to get a refund? What a joke

[Hammer1-1]

If this is true, then I would like to see an official explanation as to why it wont be usable. Granted, I never fly the thing, but I DID pay money for it. Will there be a refund? Will ED reimburse us for the module?

[Flagrum]

That’s absolutely horrendous! How can existing customers not be allowed to use it, but also not be able to get a refund? What a joke

You are allowed to continue to use it. But it will probably only work in DCS 2.5.3 ...

 

If this is true, then I would like to see an official explanation as to why it wont be usable. Granted, I never fly the thing, but I DID pay money for it. Will there be a refund? Will ED reimburse us for the module?

Official explanation: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=225574

Probably due to technical changes, the Hawk will become faulty with DCS 2.5.4. And as there is no developer anymore to fix it, well, it ceases to work.

[Mars Exulte]

That’s absolutely horrendous! How can existing customers not be allowed to use it, but also not be able to get a refund? What a joke

 

A. because it requires continous updating to maintain compatability and the people responsible for such are no longer doing so and

 

B. Because VEAO is out of business and that money is waaaay gone. It is not ED's responsibility to do so, nor would it be in any way wise. Companies go out of business sometimes and shit happens. That's life. You bought something and it bombed. Dust yourself off and move on.

[Deadpoetic6]

wow so we all got shafted.

 

Either we get stuck on 2.5.3 or we lose what we paid for

 

Nice job ED

[Backy 51]

Question to NineLine to ask ED:

 

Will the Hawk remain at least an AI aircraft beyond 2.5.3?

[Repth]

wow so we all got shafted.

 

Either we get stuck on 2.5.3 or we lose what we paid for

 

Nice job ED

 

How exactly is VEAO going out of business ED's fault? Your (insert feeling here) should be directed at VEAO, not ED.

[Mars Exulte]

Right... yeah, this isn't ED's fault.

[Neil Gardner]

I was wondering what kind of assurance is there that any purchases in future won’t be subject to similar risk? What of the people who have only just purchased, if there are any? What if developers who tell you each week that things are trundling along gradually and to give them more time and soon? This isort of thing is not likely to happen every other month but that isn’t really the point. This sort of thing isn’t good for anyone.

[TOViper]

This sort of thing isn’t good for anyone.

 

true

and sad by the way

[Mars Exulte]

I was wondering what kind of assurance is there that any purchases in future won’t be subject to similar risk?

 

There are no assurances of any such thing. These products require ongoing perpetual maintenance to maintain compatability. Normally, things would not go belly up so quickly and dramatically, I got the impression it took ED by surprise as well. That said, anytime you are dealing with something requiring 'perpetual maintenance' it has a shelf life.

 

Example every MMO eventually shuts down the servers. You having paid for it is irrelevant, it eventually reaches an End of Life stage. When that happens, you move on.

 

Similar events occur as Operating Systems change over time, products fall out of compatability. Without someone actively maintaining them, products cease to function. Believe it or not, sooner or later, your entire DCS purchase will be defunct and unusable, just like every other piece of software you own.

 

That's pretty much how life works. We don't use 8tracks or betamax either, despite having paid for them.

[Perriwen]

So. Um.

 

 

If you're pulling this...rather expensive module and saying we who bought it can no longer use it....is there any plan for us to get our money back...or are you just telling us we wasted the money?

[erniedaoage]

[Buzzles]

I was wondering what kind of assurance is there that any purchases in future won’t be subject to similar risk? What of the people who have only just purchased, if there are any? What if developers who tell you each week that things are trundling along gradually and to give them more time and soon? This isort of thing is not likely to happen every other month but that isn’t really the point. This sort of thing isn’t good for anyone.

 

One of the other ED chaps (Chizh?) said going forward they'll require the source code and assets for the modules, not just the compiled files, so they can do something if this happens again. So ED are at least putting in steps to mitigate the problem.

 

Seems as if ED unfortunately haven't got the source or assets from VEAO yet (if they ever do), so are removing it as they can't support it or even be sure it's working.

Edited December 18, 2018 by Buzzles

[SDsc0rch]

silver lining: this opens it up for someone else to come along and build a T-45

T-45 was not an option with veao - saying it would be an entirely new airframe

likelihood? near zero

but we can dream...

[Varis]

Considering I bought this from the ED web store, is it possible those that bought it through ED can receive a one time lump sum of bonus points that equals the purchase price of the Hawk?

 

Bonus points that can be used all at once on a new module?

 

I feel like that would be a good safety net, in case this ever happens again also.

 

One of the smartest ideas on this forum lately I think...

 

If indeed it's the use of the Hawk that's discontinued, I hope that's an indication that ED has already put together a plan of action for the Hawk and they have something in store for us :smilewink:

[Snoopy]

Makes me very hesitant to purchase any 3rd party modules going forward. Still would be nice to have an official statement from ED and not have forum members being the ones sharing links to other parts of the forums or facebook. Maybe something this Friday in the newsletter, who knows.

[Shrike88]

ED should not be selling this module on their store. That's pretty garbage.

 

That warning should not be buried on a subpage either should be on the front page. Wonder if it was on there during the winter sale?

 

Attention! Starting DCS World version 2.5.4 this module will be unavailable! Please use DCS World version 2.5.3 or below!

[Tread_Head57]

ED should not be selling this module on their store. That's pretty garbage.

 

ED pulled it from the store 2 weeks ago, right after VEAO announced they were shutting down and stealing people’s P-40 money.

[McShetty]

Wait a tick. I paid for it. I'm not even mad that development ended. That's totally fine but to take away something already paid for. I'm not a typical rage-monkey but I'll make an exception. ****ing refund.

 

 

And how is ED responsible? They facilitated the sale and for sure took a cut of the sales money and/or sold Veao a license.

Edited December 18, 2018 by McShetty

[msalama]

Yeah, but VEAO took the lion's share of the money, blew it, and folded. ED's not responsible for any of that. Or as Zhukov said, sheeeit happens, dust if off and move on.

[jimiC]

Ed is absolutely responsible

Its their platform and they distribute the rights to produce the modules

 

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