Incorrect Naming of Airplane Variants

[Owl Dynamic]

In the Russian localization of DCS World with Flaming Cliffs 3, open the settings menu and open the control tab for specific air planes. You see a few inaccuracies.

1. MiG-29C to МиГ-29С or MiG-29S, not a mix of both. Better entirely in Russian.

2. МиГ-29 to МиГ-29А. That is how it appears in the mission editor.

3. МиГ-29G to MiG-29G, because it is the export version anyway.

[DmitriKozlowsky]

Cyrilic C is English S MIG-29C is as correct as MIG-29S

 

S C variant designation is 'Sovremeignny', which Russian for Modernized. M is for 'moderny' is Russian variation of Mid Life Update. T extension is Thrust Vectoring. Thus MIG-29SMT is MIG-29 modernized and updated equipped with thrust vectoring engines.

[AeriaGloria]

I always heard T in MiG-29SMT was for ‘Toplivo,’ for fuel. Referring to the hunchback

 

Edit: actually I read it in a book, Encyclopedia for Modern Aircraft by Paul Eden, 2004. AFAIK no operational MiG-29 has had TV, very unfortunate. Unless they are doing so to the MiG-35 and not telling anyone.

Edited January 29, 2019 by AeriaGloria

[draconus]

In the Russian localization of DCS World with Flaming Cliffs 3, open the settings menu and open the control tab for specific air planes. You see a few inaccuracies.

1. MiG-29C to МиГ-29С or MiG-29S, not a mix of both. Better entirely in Russian.

2. МиГ-29 to МиГ-29А. That is how it appears in the mission editor.

3. МиГ-29G to MiG-29G, because it is the export version anyway.

These are valid points, perhaps would be better placed here:

https://forums.eagle.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=328

[Owl Dynamic]

Cyrilic C is English S MIG-29C is as correct as MIG-29S

 

The Russian named C300 is also called S300 in English. So better to have it consistent. A quick look at Wikipedia says MiG-29S, so I would assume this is the broader consensus. Also googling MiG-29C gives about 300k search answers versus 1,4m for MiG-29S.

 

 

perhaps would be better placed here:

https://forums.eagle.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=328

 

 

The russian forum does not have subcategories for bug reports and I thought it would be more finely sorted in here.

Edited January 29, 2019 by Owl Dynamic

[Dudikoff]

S C variant designation is 'Sovremeignny', which Russian for Modernized. M is for 'moderny' is Russian variation of Mid Life Update. T extension is Thrust Vectoring. Thus MIG-29SMT is MIG-29 modernized and updated equipped with thrust vectoring engines.

 

Thrust Vectoring? Of course not, that's on the MiG-29OVT which is the converted MiG-29M prototype fitted with thrust vectoring and the only MiG-29 variant to have had those.

 

T in SMT most probably does stand for extra fuel, e.g. like MiG-21SMT with it's grossly enlarged spine containing extra fuel compared to the originating MiG-21SM variant.

Edited January 31, 2019 by Dudikoff

[DmitriKozlowsky]

For land systems, S is 'systema', as in System System-300. Russians often use term complex , or komplex using Cyrillic. The describe the entire system of actual vehicle and associated equipment.

[DmitriKozlowsky]

Ehh.. You may be right. I may have switched O with T and vice versa. Hope nobody got hurt as result. However S & M designation are correct as far as I know.

[Frostie]

In the Russian localization of DCS World with Flaming Cliffs 3, open the settings menu and open the control tab for specific air planes. You see a few inaccuracies.

1. MiG-29C to МиГ-29С or MiG-29S, not a mix of both. Better entirely in Russian.

2. МиГ-29 to МиГ-29А. That is how it appears in the mission editor.

3. МиГ-29G to MiG-29G, because it is the export version anyway.

 

I'm not so sure about your first point.

MiG29S (9.13) is FulcrumC hence MiG29C.

MiG29 (9.12A) is FulcrumA hence MiG29A.

English speaking variants is is either MiG29 + MiG29S (Russian) or MiG29A + MiG29C (NATO).

[Owl Dynamic]

I'm not so sure about your first point.

MiG29S (9.13) is FulcrumC hence MiG29C.

 

 

The NATO Codename does not have to correspond to its actual name. Counter-example: MiG-29K (9-31) is Codenamed Fulcrum-D.

 

Seriously, it is MiG-29S (Latin) unless somebody would kindly post a link to a credible, significant source which says otherwise. MiG-29S (1,4 million google hits) vs MiG-29C (0,4 million google hits) so far and plus German, English and Russian wikpedia articles agree on that and they are not direct translations of each other. And also the russian "C" (Kyrillic) is pronounced like an english "S", so it makes sense.

 

 

EDIT: http://migavia.ru/index.php/en/production/the-mig-29-fighters-family Even the official MiG page uses the "S" in the "SM" variants etc.

Edited January 31, 2019 by Owl Dynamic

[Frostie]

The NATO Codename does not have to correspond to its actual name. Counter-example: MiG-29K (9-31) is Codenamed Fulcrum-D.

 

Seriously, it is MiG-29S (Latin) unless somebody would kindly post a link to a credible, significant source which says otherwise. MiG-29S (1,4 million google hits) vs MiG-29C (0,4 million google hits) so far and plus German, English and Russian wikpedia articles agree on that and they are not direct translations of each other. And also the russian "C" (Kyrillic) is pronounced like an english "S", so it makes sense.

 

 

 

I don't think you're understanding.

The K in MiG29K (K = Korabelny, Ship-Borne) is Russian origin the same as the S in 29S.

The C in MiG29C and A in MiG29A are of NATO origin, for example I doubt you'll find the MiG29 marked up as MiG29A in Russian documents.

[Owl Dynamic]

The C in MiG29C and A in MiG29A are of NATO origin, for example I doubt you'll find the MiG29 marked up as MiG29A in Russian documents.

 

 

Here http://www.bredow-web.de/Berlin_Schoenefeld/MiG-29/mig-29.html it lists both MiG-29C (9.13, NATO) which has a more sturdy fuselage and additional fuel tanks and the MiG-29S (9.13S) which as an improved radar. And we have this latter variant as it says in the manual of the MiG-29 module. On p.49 it speaks about the new modern TWS2 radar mode for R-77 rockets and uses MiG-29S as a designation. So this functionality confirms what the website says.

 

 

http://toad-design.com/migalley/index.php/jet-aircraft/mig29/mig29-variants/

Here it speaks of the MiG-29S variant as well. Both actually run under the Fulcrum C codename. Definitely a confusing scheme.

 

 

EDIT: Check the game's internal reference book about the MiG-29S. At least in the russian version it says 9.13S variant. So I hope this finally puts a nail in the coffin for this debate that it should indeed be MiG-29S in the control tab of the settings.

Edited February 1, 2019 by Owl Dynamic

[AeriaGloria]

I always heard the S is an upgrade that can be applied to 9.12 or 9.13, the example we have is 9.13S. So a 9.13doesmt necessarily have to be an S. My source is Paul Edens book from 2004.

[Alfa]

МиГ-29 (9.12) = MiG-29 = "FULCRUM A"

 

МиГ-29УБ (9.51) = MiG-29UB = "FULCRUM B"

 

МиГ-29 (9.13) = MiG-29 = "FULCRUM C"

 

МиГ-29С (9.13С) = MiG-29S = "FULCRUM C"

 

There is no such thing as a "MiG-29C" or "MiG-29A" - these are erroneous designations....either simply a case of applying "Western" designation system(like F-16A and F-16C) to Russian aircraft, or mixing NATO reporting names with the original designation - i.e. MiG-29 + FUlCRUM A = MiG-29A.

 

Note that:

 

a) NATO makes no distinction between the MiG-29(9.13) and the MiG-29S(9.13S), but calls both "FULCRUM C".

 

b) Russian/Soviet designation makes no distinction between different versions of the "baseline" MiG-29 - i.e. domestic 9.12, warsaw pact 9.12A, commercial 9.12B and even the 9.13 is still just called "MiG-29".

[Alfa]

I always heard the S is an upgrade that can be applied to 9.12 or 9.13, the example we have is 9.13S. So a 9.13doesmt necessarily have to be an S. My source is Paul Edens book from 2004.

 

Thats correct :)