ATC Approach calls missing

[Xxx]

Just noticed a couple of anomalies, that are different in Red Flag this time around, since October when I first flew it. I'm on latest DCS World, full version.

 

 

In mission 7 and 8 the Approach frequency is correctly tuned, but after "space" bar is pressed (inside 5 miles) there is no acknowledgement from Approach.

 

 

This doesn't affect the outcome, the mission is credited as usual after landing, (ground freq is ok)but just thought I'd mention it.

 

 

Also and this isn't a mission planners fault, in mission #8, I hit the Il-76 AGR Jammer with both Matra 530's and it was still flying! Finished it off with guns, but Metal 2-2 stole my kill by killing it with an Amram! Bloomin' cheeky! LOL!

 

 

Needless to say, by the time we got north all the Fulcrums had been nailed by the F-16's and their Amrams! :(

 

 

 

 

I guess those Il-76's are tough old birds.....My score was 0, mission 100. So only got part of the Il-76 since the Metal Bird got credited with the kill!

 

 

Great Campaign this....can be re played and always see something different each time!

 

 

Regards

David

[baltic_dragon]

Thanks! Worth checking out what is wrong with the Approach - things tend to get broken with different updates, luckily no show-stoppers so far :)

[Xxx]

Thanks! Worth checking out what is wrong with the Approach - things tend to get broken with different updates, luckily no show-stoppers so far :)

 

Roger that. I'll let you know if I see anything else. I am on the latest DCS update, full version.

 

It's great that each time you fly Red Flag the missions play out differently. This one was a puzzle until I reviewed Tacview. Metal F-16 shooting down my target was unknown to me until I Tacviewed it?

 

When I scored 0 and 100 for mission success, I knew someone else had chalked up my kill?:music_whistling:

 

I wondered if ED had altered the kill efficiency of the 530's? Two hits should have downed my target?

 

Thinking about it, Metal should have called Fox 3, but I guess the AI hasn't quite got that level of development? Those F-16's certainly go after everything in sight and you have to be quick before they mop up everything!:smilewink:

 

Regards

 

David

 

Edit. Thinking about it, this is how a Red Flag should be. Only in the debrief, when everyone sits down and reviews Tacview, do you know what happened, what went wrong and what went right? Good stuff!

Edited February 9, 2019 by Accipiter
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[baltic_dragon]

I introduced the random Fox 3 calls for the AI, but I cannot script it for all of the missiles - I am sorely missing the trigger detecting who is shooting and what. I use "missile in zone" so I can script the call for the first missile shot, perhaps first two (when you have two missiles in zone, etc). But this is as far as I can go. AI won't announce their shots anyway (and for RF I've disabled their comms as they would only flood the frequency). Keep me posted about your further findings!

[Xxx]

I introduced the random Fox 3 calls for the AI, but I cannot script it for all of the missiles - I am sorely missing the trigger detecting who is shooting and what. I use "missile in zone" so I can script the call for the first missile shot, perhaps first two (when you have two missiles in zone, etc). But this is as far as I can go. AI won't announce their shots anyway (and for RF I've disabled their comms as they would only flood the frequency). Keep me posted about your further findings!

 

Very cool! I am a novice mission planner, but is there a way to place a moving zone on a target? Say on the Il-76, that would detect an incoming missile? :huh:

 

Today I did #9 and #10. I will need to do #10 again! I did not get a "saddled" call from the Tornados. That led to total confusion as I engaged the Migs and then the two Mirages. The Tornadoes were successful but I got no RTB Knock it off call?

 

Subsequently, I got the "saddled" call as I was on finals! So I ejected and scrubbed the mission. I will re fly tomorrow and try and keep close to the Tornadoes in the Sally corridor. I think I was probably a bit too far from them on route to wp2? Without the saddled call, probably everything else went Apex up?:doh:

 

Cheers.

[Xxx]

Just to confirm. I was too high to get the "saddle" call, so my fault.:doh:

 

I was too early to get the ATC Approach call, need to have better timing.:doh:

 

If I don't have "radio assists" turned on in DCS menu, I can not communicate with wingmen/flight. Thus, in #10, I couldn't get anyone to go radar on, etc. AWACs was also unavailable for picture or bogey dope. So I needed radio assists on, but not "easy comms", which needs to be off in this Red Flag.

 

In mission #10, I managed to down both "enemy" Mirages...got one with guns! The score at the end of mission was 130! In this rare example of good airmanship, it would have been nice to hear Max saying something like, "hey, your almost as good as me"! Or me saying to the guys that I'm buying in the 'o' club tonight!:D

 

Off topic a little. I don't know what they have done with realistic comms for the Mirage? I can't get any comms at all in any missions I create? The only way to get any comms is to go "easy comms" in main menu? The comms in Red Flag are always impeccable!

 

Anyway, on to #11.:thumbup:

Edited February 10, 2019 by Accipiter
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[baltic_dragon]

Hey!

 

Weird with this radio assists option, I'll have to check it, never experienced that. As for RAZBAM I know they changed something in how the radios work... I'll check with them.

[Xxx]

Hey!

 

Weird with this radio assists option, I'll have to check it, never experienced that. As for RAZBAM I know they changed something in how the radios work... I'll check with them.

 

I can confirm I need radio assists selected for wingman/flight comms to work in Red Flag. Double checked and the frequencies are correct.:(

 

My own missions are hit and miss. I can never manually tune anything and ATC doesn't talk to me? I need easy comms on before anything works properly.

 

I have been enjoying mission 11.:smilewink:. Definitely a real challenge! The landing runway 21 is very dicey with that 22 knot tail/crosswind. I crashed the Mirage twice trying to land on 21. With invulnerability off, the landing puts years on ya! The aircraft is very light at the end of #11, with minimal fuel and zero weapons, so that landing is fraught. Perhaps better to ask ATC for runway 3? I doubt anyone would choose 21 in reality?:music_whistling:

 

After finding a way to overcome those helicopter feinds, (classified!) I wonder about the effectiveness of those Mistrals versus our Matra Magic's? :music_whistling:

 

:pilotfly:

[Lordzarj]

RW03 for takeoff and RW21 for landing is always used at Nellis regardless of wind. This is to avoid flying over a densely populated area (doubly important with live ordinance)

[Emmy]

RW03 for takeoff and RW21 for landing is always used at Nellis regardless of wind. This is to avoid flying over a densely populated area (doubly important with live ordinance)

 

Not quite accurate.

 

They will use 21L/21R for departures as there are noise abatement procedures to be followed. They will use 3L/3R with live ordinance or heavy inserts.

[Xxx]

To BD.

 

Just flew Mission 12. I had no Approach contact from ATC at WP 7.

 

Also after landing, following information from ATIS to use runway 03R and 03L (in USE, since wind 300 at 10+), there was no call to change to tower, no call to change to ground and no mission completed message. I exited on Alpha as usual, but I guess the trigger did not work?

 

I quit out and got a score of 0, mission 100. In spite of one Mig29 kill? Possible I missed a step here and there?

 

 

I find the Dryad is still a bit out. Authenticate DT, Max replies X-Ray, I think it should be Yankee? But doesn't affect the mission anyway.

 

Regards

David

[baltic_dragon]

I will have to check the APP calls, something is off. So no text message to contact the Approach, right using SPACE BAR or F-10?

 

I think that the ATIS info is only for departing flights, I corrected that in most missions but might have forgotten to do in that one - you should have normally landed on 21L and then all the tower etc triggers would work normally. Adding to my to-fix list.

 

I might have some time off next week so I'll try to fix all the things you found, fortunately these are not big. And I agree with the DRYAD, there is a mistake. I will need to update the card and all should be well :) many thanks!

 

BTW, in previous mission - did any of your wingmen survive against the Mistrals?

[Xxx]

I will have to check the APP calls, something is off. So no text message to contact the Approach, right using SPACE BAR or F-10?

 

I think that the ATIS info is only for departing flights, I corrected that in most missions but might have forgotten to do in that one - you should have normally landed on 21L and then all the tower etc triggers would work normally. Adding to my to-fix list.

 

I might have some time off next week so I'll try to fix all the things you found, fortunately these are not big. And I agree with the DRYAD, there is a mistake. I will need to update the card and all should be well :) many thanks!

 

BTW, in previous mission - did any of your wingmen survive against the Mistrals?

 

 

Hi BD. Nope! All wingmen got the chop to the Mistrals! They are Daemons for sure!

 

 

Now, I just did Mission 13.

 

 

Score 30/80?

 

 

I got all the parked aircraft with rockets. Got half of the enemy truck convoy to the north. Even got the Chinook with guns! Spectacular.

 

 

Problems were;

 

 

Wingman wouldn't attack primary and re-join. (Must have been frightened by the Man Pad! LOL) He wouldn't attack the truck convoy and wouldn't attack the Chinook (as Bandits) He bugged out early and headed for RTB. That's A.I for you!!!

 

 

Approach was missing again. No message to hit space bar.

 

 

Landed 21L. No message to switch to ground and no mission complete message.

 

 

My lousy score was a mystery? Given the targets I destroyed. I swear that I herd Sunray say I had missed the Chinook? I may have misheard that as a hit, but I wasn't recording it , so couldn't be sure. On Mission stats I got the kill and on Tacview I got the Chinook.

 

 

Going back to the previous mission. I flew as ATIS information, which seemed correct, given wind 300 at 10. After landing I taxied the full length of 03R/21L so if there was a trigger zone there I must have gone through it?

 

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

Regards

David

[baltic_dragon]

I think that the Approach is the key. You only get tower calls after you contact the approach, so this may be messing things up. Worth investigating, especially it happens on all missions it seems...

 

The Chinook destroyed but not reported as such - I've seen it before and thought I squashed it, this is one of those weird bugs I cannot really put my finger on. Trigger - wise all looks good, but in game it has a tendency to become a mess.

 

and as for the AI... yeah.. what can I say :)

[Xxx]

I think that the Approach is the key. You only get tower calls after you contact the approach, so this may be messing things up. Worth investigating, especially it happens on all missions it seems...

 

The Chinook destroyed but not reported as such - I've seen it before and thought I squashed it, this is one of those weird bugs I cannot really put my finger on. Trigger - wise all looks good, but in game it has a tendency to become a mess.

 

and as for the AI... yeah.. what can I say :)

 

 

Thanks BD.

 

 

Here's another quirky one.

 

 

Mission 14. All OK as far as messages that defector is intending to land. ( Pass ok at 3500' AGL gear down etc.) However F-16 goes 20 NM South of runway and circles at 12000'.? He never lands! (Treachery!!)

 

 

I stayed as long as I dared...Fuel low...Thought about shooting him down??But didn't! LOL!

 

 

Anyway I RTB and landed. Got Mission Successful park up at F134.

 

 

I shut down and saw score 100/70. That's with two kills AA.

 

 

Also, (Minor thing) parking F134 is occupied with a fuel tanker and a Humvee!

 

 

The approach call worked on this one.

 

 

Regards

David

[Xxx]

#15 OK. Everything spot on . Got all 4 Gun Dish and both Gazelles. Score 60/100? Why only 60? Would have thought 100/100...!;)

 

 

Take a peek at the attached photo! These Mirages were "dumped" on the way to parking F154..?

 

 

Perhaps as a reminder of what could happen...LOL!

 

 

Regards.

 

 

Edited February 16, 2019 by Accipiter
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