HP's Reverb VR Pro Headset

[Panthera_Tigris]

From what I've read - the SS in Steam and PD in DCS are two sides of the same coin. They both super sample what goes to the HMD. Not sure if one is better than the other, but I use the PD in DCS rather than Steamvr SS.

 

PD = 1.3

SteamVR SS = 100%

 

You are correct. They both super sample. There is a difference in the calculations though.

 

• DCS's PD is applied to both axes. So 1.3 PD will mean 69% more pixels (1.3 x 1.3).
  
• Steams resolution settings is just the overall pixels. So 130% SS in Steam means only 30% more pixels.
  

 

Another thing is that there is a minimum level of automatic/ default super sampling. If you keep your SS and PD both at 1 or 100%, you will still find that you are pushing significantly more pixels than the HMD's native resolution. This is done to make up for edge distortion and stuff.

 

This, and other such factors, make VR really inefficient compared to flat monitors with the same res in terms of performance. But the fact that even these Gen 1 HMDs are indispensable to us highlights the awesomeness of the technology.

[Soma888]

guessing if shopblt have a shipping date, Amazon should haVe one soon.

[Harlikwin]

Not everyone is a DCS regular guys. That AMA guy is mostly an Elite Dangerous streamer and maybe 150% SS is ok in that game?

 

Another user and I asked him about DCS and that is when he told us the results of his limited testing.

 

Im sure 150% is a non issue in ED. I was able to pull 90 frames with my old system without issue in ED with some SS enabled.

[Harlikwin]

agree. but even here in DCS forums you regularly see users suggesting 1.5->2.0.

 

Thats mainly to sharpen images and reduce aliasing on the lower res screens. The HP should look much better at pd 1, than a CV1 at pd2.

[hansangb]

I don't know where you got your 70° FoV for Rift S.

I posted a French review of the Rift S. FoV was tested wearing the headset, and the horizontal FoV is around 90° on the Rift S.

 

I know HP is advertising 114°, but I'll wait to see it confirmed by test.

Anyway, the selling point here is picture clarity, not FoV...[/QUOTE]

 

 

yes, clarity is important. But after using P5K+, I now realize how important FoV is. If you've never used it, it's not issue. Just don't ever try the P5K+.

[hansangb]

Those wonderful saintly people at ShopBLT have confirmed they are taking delivery of my stock on the 6th June.

 

I've started writing farewell letters to friends and family, winding up my affairs etc.

 

:cry::( I'm going to be away the week of the 9th. It's GOING TO KILL ME knowing that the reverb will be sitting in the garage. ARGHHHHHH! LOL

[sze5003]

:cry::( I'm going to be away the week of the 9th. It's GOING TO KILL ME knowing that the reverb will be sitting in the garage. ARGHHHHHH! LOL

I'll be looking forward to the impressions when you get it. I'm not buying anything yet until I hear about how the reverb does in dcs.

[backspace340]

I'll be looking forward to the impressions when you get it. I'm not buying anything yet until I hear about how the reverb does in dcs.

 

This guy has it and plays DCS:

[sze5003]

This guy has it and plays DCS:

Thanks yea he also has a 2080ti. Another person asked if he should upgrade to a 2080 which is equivalent to the 1080ti...what I have now. Hopefully with the VR update performance would still be decent with the Reverb.

[backspace340]

Thanks yea he also has a 2080ti. Another person asked if he should upgrade to a 2080 which is equivalent to the 1080ti...what I have now. Hopefully with the VR update performance would still be decent with the Reverb.

 

Yeah hopefully - I've run the Odyssey at 1.5PD and that was fine, so I'm quietly confident it'll be okay. I'm mainly waiting to see how that guy gets on with extensions - I've got to extend any VR headset by 10ft, and the Reverb QA guy said that couldn't be done, but that guy on reddit is going to try it. Really hope it works so I can get the Reverb!

[sze5003]

Yeah hopefully - I've run the Odyssey at 1.5PD and that was fine, so I'm quietly confident it'll be okay. I'm mainly waiting to see how that guy gets on with extensions - I've got to extend any VR headset by 10ft, and the Reverb QA guy said that couldn't be done, but that guy on reddit is going to try it. Really hope it works so I can get the Reverb!

I also run the odyssey at PD of 1.5 and it's fine so here's hoping. I thought the pro version of reverb had a longer cable. I don't plan on using it much for room scale but if the cable is really that short it seems it was made just for sitting use?

 

Not sure how much of a price difference the pro vs regular is, but I would probably wait until I can get the pro if the longer cable comes with it along with a comfier lining.

[backspace340]

I also run the odyssey at PD of 1.5 and it's fine so here's hoping. I thought the pro version of reverb had a longer cable. I don't plan on using it much for room scale but if the cable is really that short it seems it was made just for sitting use?

 

Not sure how much of a price difference the pro vs regular is, but I would probably wait until I can get the pro if the longer cable comes with it along with a comfier lining.

 

They're both 4m apparently (only 3.5m for the pre-release ones the reviewers all got), but I sit clear across the room from my PC when I play and have 10ft extensions on my 4m Odyssey cable, so will definitely need it for the Reverb. That guy on reddit did say it's a heavy cable and not very good for roomscale.

[John Hargreaves]

I think the extra cable you get with the pro version is actually a short one, designed to be used with VR backpack/laptops. 4m for the standard cable on retail version of both units according to the HP mole on Reddit.

[wormeaten]

[some1]

Nice one :)

[boedha68]

Offcourse :D

[Panthera_Tigris]

Looking at that video, there is one important thing to note. It seems the Reverb is sub-sampling natively! Which is why his resolution was close to native with 180% SS.

 

Some people were objecting as to why he used 150% SS when he did his AMA. It seems 150% SS would still be less than the native Reverb resolution due to in-built sub sampling. You need to be close to 180%SS to be close to native.

Edited May 31, 2019 by Panthera_Tigris

[sze5003]

Interesting to know that. I most likely still won't super sample anything. It's kind of disappointing about the cable being so short. I just hope extensions do end up working with it in case I ever want to do any stand up games. Looking forward to watching that video after work. As soon as we get impressions from the community here and they happen to be good, I'll order.

 

Looking more at the Reddit post he has a 2080ti and had to turn down almost every setting to low in DCS to struggle to maintain 60hz. Not sure if this will be the answer to many like myself with a 1080ti because well the clarity won't matter if all the settings have to be at the lowest. He says people with a 1080ti may struggle in the end.

Edited May 31, 2019 by sze5003

[Vullcan]

Yep, and what happens during intensive multiplayer missions with lots of ground units, scripts, etc? If it gets anywhere near slideshow territory its a nonstarter.

 

Having to set everything to low is a huge downer but if its not a slideshow I'll entertain it to see the resolution for myself and make my own decision.

[mdee]

60 fps at low settings isn't really acceptable (esp. with poor SteamVR ASW) - it will still look bad like 1.0 headsets, just in different way. For some it may work. I'll still buy it, but with expectation that it will only start to show its value in DCS when next gen of gfx cards is out, it will alos definitely shine in less demanding games, like Project Cars and Elite. I am not really surprised here. It's a headset aimed at business/design use where frame rates aren't that important. Good to see the tech being pushed forward anyway.

Edited May 31, 2019 by mdee

[sze5003]

60 fps at low settings isn't really acceptable (esp. with poor SteamVR ASW) - it will still look bad like 1.0 headsets, just in different way. For some it may work. I'll still buy it, but with expectation that it will only start to show its value in DCS when next gen of gfx cards is out, it will alos definitely shine in less demanding games, like Project Cars and Elite. I am not really surprised here. It's a headset aimed at business/design use where frame rates aren't that important. Good to see the tech being pushed forward anyway.

Yea I feel the same way. Index is out of question due to need of base stations and price. At least for me, all I use VR for is DCS. Seeing how we don't really have next gen Ti graphics cards yet, without spending $1300, for barely 60hz on low settings I guess I'm stuck with my Odyssey.

 

Unless I can try it out from Amazon and return it no hassle. I really don't expect it to run that well in DCS, not without hiccups or having to sacrifice settings where I may not see an improvement at all. But I'll wait anyway and see what those that ordered one report.

 

I gave him my specs and this was his comment regarding DCS:

 

"Well I did a lot more testing in DCS after I narrated the video, as DCS isn't my primary game at all and I really don't know it very well. I found the issue to be shadows - if they are on at all framerates are terrible, when it's off I can get rather high settings. As I love shadows I hate turning them off - as for upgrading a 1080ti is just barely above the minimum specs (hard to believe that's actually the case!) so if you want the same framerate yes, you'll absolutely have to turn things down. That said you can run the Reverb at 60hz and if you're running the Odyssey at 90 (and not getting reprojection to 45, and I bet you are) then you'd be okay.

 

Regardless I'd take the Reverb of the Odyssey any day as I thought the Odyssey was one of the worst I've ever used given how painfully uncomfortable it is."

Edited May 31, 2019 by sze5003

[Naruto]

Hoping the VR optimization will help out with the reverb. We're counting on you ED to give us a home run here.

[sohei]

Bearing in mind we still have the VR performance improvement in the pipeline, which should help a bit.

 

I don't mind hanging on to the Reverb while waiting for new hardware to come out which will give the frame rate a boost.

[Panthera_Tigris]

I think we should be fine after the VR performance patch. But even if aren't, please note that the Reverb is sub-sampling by default and still looking good. Therefore, you can pick any res right up to 2160x2160 to get the performance that you need.

 

Lets say your GPU can only push 1800x1800. You can do that with the Reverb and it would look MUCH better than an Index/ Rift super-sampled to that 1800x1800. Because super-sampling does NOT really add any pixels. It just changes the algorithms to determine what colour the existing pixels should display to improve the clarity.

 

So right now I run my Vive at 2000x2000 with some supersampling. I would be MUCH better off running the Reverb at 2000x2000 with sub-sampling. Please keep this in mind.

[sze5003]

Problem is new hardware is most likely 6+ months away. At least Nvidia with their newer cards which who knows how they will brand them going forward trying to make the most money, as usual.