Delta59R Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) Put together some numbers, after testing I think the F14-B might the fastest Jet in DCS on the deck. Please feel free to double check and correct. Alt under 1kft clean air frames speed taken from F10 map (knots ground speed) Temps @ -12c/10F below, F14B- 956 Viggen (rb24 glitch)- 924 F18C- 885 SU27- 851 Viggen- 830 F16C- 829 F15C- 827 MIG29A- 798 M2000C- 751 AV8- 560 SU25T- 545 A10C- 360 TFP51-318 UH1- 124 Temps @ 15c/59f below, Viggen (rb24 glitch)-970 F14B- 895 F16C- 871 Viggen- 870 MIG29A- 825 F15C- 822 SU27- 813 M2000C- 797 F18C- 780 AV8- 560 SU25T- 558 A10C- 350 TFP51= 326 UH1 =131 Temps @ 50c/122f below, Viggen (rb24 glitch)- 1017 Viggen- 905 F-16C- 858 M2000C- 853 F15C- 815 F14B- 813 SU27- 752 MIG29A- 718 F18C- 706 F86F- 622 AV8- 593 SU25T- 574 A10C- 317 TFP51- 309 UH1- 118 Below is Time in After Burner, 100% fuel, clean, no tanks, 15c/59f standard day, sub 1kft, min:sec ; M2000C- 10:30 F18C- 9:20 Viggen- 9:05 F16C- 7:10 F15C- 5:55 F14B- 5:45 SU27- 4:45 MIG29S- 3:55 Below is top speed @ 36kft, clean, 15c/59f standard day kn ground speed F15- 1497 (speed wall) SU27- 1484 MIG29A- 1480 F14B- 1346 M2000- 1266 F16C- 1181 F18C- 1064 Viggen- 1003 (speed wall) Edited October 19, 2019 by Delta59R Meshify C w Noctua Fans, MSI Carbon Z790, 13900KS, 64gb 7200 Gskill, MSI 4090, MSI 240, Sam 1tb m2, Sam 512 m2, Seasonic 1000w, MSFF2 Stick + X56 Throttle, HP Reverb G2, Sony 83in A90J OLED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Rogue Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 No Viggen? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealius Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Temp -12C but what was QNH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmy Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Test on a “Standard Day” 59° F 29.92 Altimeter [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
key_stroked Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 That poor Warthog. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta59R Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 No Viggen? I don't have a Viggen yet, but if you want to bring yours to the server ill be on tonight. Cheers Meshify C w Noctua Fans, MSI Carbon Z790, 13900KS, 64gb 7200 Gskill, MSI 4090, MSI 240, Sam 1tb m2, Sam 512 m2, Seasonic 1000w, MSFF2 Stick + X56 Throttle, HP Reverb G2, Sony 83in A90J OLED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta59R Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 That poor Warthog. LOL i luv that thing...."old painless" what i call mine Meshify C w Noctua Fans, MSI Carbon Z790, 13900KS, 64gb 7200 Gskill, MSI 4090, MSI 240, Sam 1tb m2, Sam 512 m2, Seasonic 1000w, MSFF2 Stick + X56 Throttle, HP Reverb G2, Sony 83in A90J OLED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta59R Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 Temp -12C but what was QNH? Get back to you on that, i think 29ish. Meshify C w Noctua Fans, MSI Carbon Z790, 13900KS, 64gb 7200 Gskill, MSI 4090, MSI 240, Sam 1tb m2, Sam 512 m2, Seasonic 1000w, MSFF2 Stick + X56 Throttle, HP Reverb G2, Sony 83in A90J OLED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta59R Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 Test on a “Standard Day” 59° F 29.92 Altimeter Yeah I can put that together! Give me a few days. Meshify C w Noctua Fans, MSI Carbon Z790, 13900KS, 64gb 7200 Gskill, MSI 4090, MSI 240, Sam 1tb m2, Sam 512 m2, Seasonic 1000w, MSFF2 Stick + X56 Throttle, HP Reverb G2, Sony 83in A90J OLED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixen Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Put together some number after testing I think the F14-B might the fastest Jet in DCS on the deck. Please feel free to double check and correct. Map set at -12c temp alt under 1kft clean air frames speed taken from F10 map (knots ground speed) F-14B- 948 F-18C- 885 SU-27- 851 F-15- 827 Mig29- 805 M2000C- 751 A-10C- 360 I'm suprised that the F-18C is so high up on the list. I was expecting the F-15 and SU-27 being faster. Also expected the mirage 2000 being faster than where it is now. Not any scientific data, just suprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mehksauce Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 fastest,biggest and the sexiest ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta59R Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 I'm suprised that the F-18C is so high up on the list. I was expecting the F-15 and SU-27 being faster. Also expected the mirage 2000 being faster than where it is now. Not any scientific data, just suprised. You and I both, we even did some drag racing off the runway and fly at deck till ran out of fuel and the F14B literally smoked...I mean blew the effin doors off the F15c ... I was very surprised and with a big smile I might add! Meshify C w Noctua Fans, MSI Carbon Z790, 13900KS, 64gb 7200 Gskill, MSI 4090, MSI 240, Sam 1tb m2, Sam 512 m2, Seasonic 1000w, MSFF2 Stick + X56 Throttle, HP Reverb G2, Sony 83in A90J OLED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta59R Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 Test on a “Standard Day” 59° F 29.92 Altimeter Updated OP Interestingly the M2000 and mig29 actually benefited from the increased temperature while the F18 suffered the most proportionally. Meshify C w Noctua Fans, MSI Carbon Z790, 13900KS, 64gb 7200 Gskill, MSI 4090, MSI 240, Sam 1tb m2, Sam 512 m2, Seasonic 1000w, MSFF2 Stick + X56 Throttle, HP Reverb G2, Sony 83in A90J OLED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Updated OP Interestingly the M2000 and mig29 actually benefited from the increased temperature while the F18 suffered the most proportionally. Great test and interesting results! If you are in the mood for further testing, maybe you can do this... Full afterburner takeoff at Nellis and record speeds at the end of runway. Clean, full fuel, standard day...the tricky part will be rotating, immediately retracting gear/flaps, and leveling off right above runway. i5 7600K @4.8GHz | 1080 Ti | 32GB 3200MHz | SSD | DCS SETTINGS | "COCKPIT" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta59R Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 Great test and interesting results! If you are in the mood for further testing, maybe you can do this... Full afterburner takeoff at Nellis and record speeds at the end of runway. Clean, full fuel, standard day...the tricky part will be rotating, immediately retracting gear/flaps, and leveling off right above runway. Thanks, yeah that would be a interesting test. We did do a bunch of drag racing of the runway and level flight on deck till no fuel. The 14 smoked everything, iirc the mig29 was its closest match. Meshify C w Noctua Fans, MSI Carbon Z790, 13900KS, 64gb 7200 Gskill, MSI 4090, MSI 240, Sam 1tb m2, Sam 512 m2, Seasonic 1000w, MSFF2 Stick + X56 Throttle, HP Reverb G2, Sony 83in A90J OLED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSauvaaage Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 In every Sim I ever used, if I remember correectly, everytime you wanted the fastest bird, you chose the Tomcat ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta59R Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 Updated with Viggen! So I think I found glitch with the Viggen. The clean sub 1kft is 830 and 866 at -12 and +15c however if you load up with 6-rj24s and shoot them off you go into turbo mode that gets you to 927 and 970kgs! Meshify C w Noctua Fans, MSI Carbon Z790, 13900KS, 64gb 7200 Gskill, MSI 4090, MSI 240, Sam 1tb m2, Sam 512 m2, Seasonic 1000w, MSFF2 Stick + X56 Throttle, HP Reverb G2, Sony 83in A90J OLED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 (edited) Thanks, yeah that would be a interesting test. We did do a bunch of drag racing of the runway and level flight on deck till no fuel. The 14 smoked everything, iirc the mig29 was its closest match. So nothing scientific and by no means official... Clean, full internal fuel, 59F, 29.92, Nellis runway 3L, F/A-18C vs F-14B Full afterburner takeoff, level off right above runway, and I measured the speed at the end of the runway. Both the Hornet and Tomcat reached a speed of about 420kts. I was surprised because I thought the Tomcat would surely win this, but that Hornet can move! Overall, I really don't notice the Tomcat being that superior in any performance category. Sure, top speed of course goes to the Tomcat and maybe acceleration at higher speeds but the Hornet is right there or superior in most others from what I am seeing so far. Edited April 20, 2019 by =BJM= i5 7600K @4.8GHz | 1080 Ti | 32GB 3200MHz | SSD | DCS SETTINGS | "COCKPIT" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldur Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 the F18 suffered the most proportionally. i once tried to have a PG mission with realistic temperatures. 1. realistic temperatures (40+°C) are not even possible to set up, was around 31°C max IIRC 2. Hornet's top speed goes down to like M 1.2ish in full AB at 36kft... After that I tried a super cold environment, but I couldn't raise the top speed above M 1.8 without adding those negative drag flux compensating pylons The F/A-18C's reactions to temperatures are really awkward... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dino Might Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 This looks like some shenanigans with the engine modeling on some of these birds. How is the F/A-18C beating out the F-15C? Why do the Mirage, MiG-29, and Viggen get faster with hotter air temp? Why does the F/A-18C lose so much more speed than others with hotter air temp? And that mention of clean vs. empty pylons after firing off weapons really makes me wonder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turkeydriver Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 The F-15C in DCS has undermodelled engines despite whatever they claim. The F-14B should smoke everyone, but the F-15C should start catching it. The F-15E is a beast on the deck- especially the -129 powered jets. If they are clean they can just about supercruise on the deck. VF-2 Bounty Hunters https://www.csg-1.com/ DCS F-14 Pilot/RIO Discord: https://discord.gg/6bbthxk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta59R Posted April 20, 2019 Author Share Posted April 20, 2019 This looks like some shenanigans with the engine modeling on some of these birds. How is the F/A-18C beating out the F-15C? Why do the Mirage, MiG-29, and Viggen get faster with hotter air temp? Why does the F/A-18C lose so much more speed than others with hotter air temp? And that mention of clean vs. empty pylons after firing off weapons really makes me wonder... Exactly! I was waiting for someone else to point all this out. Meshify C w Noctua Fans, MSI Carbon Z790, 13900KS, 64gb 7200 Gskill, MSI 4090, MSI 240, Sam 1tb m2, Sam 512 m2, Seasonic 1000w, MSFF2 Stick + X56 Throttle, HP Reverb G2, Sony 83in A90J OLED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dino Might Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 I was wondering why the Hornet was beating my Tomcat in the vertical the other day. Both clean, no tanks, no tunnel pylons on the Cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) T/W ratios for Hornet and Tomcat in DCS... These are the lightest weights I could get the aircraft in the ME with full internal fuel only I am also finding multiple thrust values for the F-14B F/A-18C Weight: 36,445 Thrust: 35,500 T/W: 0.97 F-14B Weight: 60,239 Thrust: 56,400 (various online sources) 60,000 (HB manual) 60,400 (NATOPS) T/W: 0.93, 0.99, 1.00 Edited April 21, 2019 by =BJM= i5 7600K @4.8GHz | 1080 Ti | 32GB 3200MHz | SSD | DCS SETTINGS | "COCKPIT" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcdata Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Err...wave drag. The F14 is lower than all of those aircrafts once over 1.2. So class that means the F14 doesn't need as much thrust to reach a certain speed. This tells you the lowly TF30 engines reached in excess of M2.4x. then again the engines out accelerated the f110 engines past m1.6 or m1.8 Another tidbit.. having a high aspect ratio (wings out) had lower induced drag thus.. lower thrust requirement to maintain STR. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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