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With both the F4U and F8 being in the pipe so to speak. Is there a plan to also include a WW2 or 60's era carrier for each of these. I suppose the F8 might be able to use the forrestal class from HB, but the F4U would likely need its own era specific carrier, and probably even a map? I recall reading about an Iwo Jima map at one point, is that still in the pipeline?

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Same question: Is it still in the pipeline?

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I really hope that a map based on Iwo Jima is not in the pipeline. It seems like it is such a small map for a plane that had relatively little to do with the battle that took place there. In my opinion, a map of the Solomons Islands would be a much better fit. As for a period carrier for the Corsair, I would vote for an Essex class or maybe even a Jeep carrier (CVE). Corsairs operated off of both types in both WWII and Korea so there would be a pretty good utilization for either one should someone ever decide to build a Korean map.

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I really hope that a map based on Iwo Jima is not in the pipeline. It seems like it is such a small map for a plane that had relatively little to do with the battle that took place there. In my opinion, a map of the Solomons Islands would be a much better fit. As for a period carrier for the Corsair, I would vote for an Essex class or maybe even a Jeep carrier (CVE). Corsairs operated off of both types in both WWII and Korea so there would be a pretty good utilization for either one should someone ever decide to build a Korean map.

 

Yea, a Corsair would get me in WWII planes, which would mean Normandy map and WWII Assets. Would love to see a Wasp or Yorktown.

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I really hope that a map based on Iwo Jima is not in the pipeline. It seems like it is such a small map for a plane that had relatively little to do with the battle that took place there. In my opinion, a map of the Solomons Islands would be a much better fit. As for a period carrier for the Corsair, I would vote for an Essex class or maybe even a Jeep carrier (CVE). Corsairs operated off of both types in both WWII and Korea so there would be a pretty good utilization for either one should someone ever decide to build a Korean map.
Same, I would have preferred Solomon islands. More islands, more fun to me

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Well I saw a documentary about F4s operating out of Vella la Cava I think it was... ;)

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Yea, a Corsair would get me in WWII planes, which would mean Normandy map and WWII Assets. Would love to see a Wasp or Yorktown.

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Additionally there are also signs that they are working on an Iwo Jima map.

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Rumor mill says they are working on it but are unsure of the ability to do everything they want to right now so they are holding off on making an announcement.

Exactly this. The Iwo Jima module is still registered in the Steam Database though. Rudel said in August last year, that an island mesh is already created, but needs to be exportet to the new terrain engine.


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I doubt very seriously that the developers pay much attention to what we think they should devote their resources to but if they ever do, I'd vote for a priority being put on the Crusader. It will look great sitting on one of the Forestall class CVA's that HB is building. :thumbup:

 

I say this with great reluctance because I am a huge Corsair fan and especially if it were operating off a carrier but I am just not confident that it will be released with a proper WWII era carrier and we'll only have a map of Iwo Jima to putter around on. So, if my vote counted, it would be for the Mig Killer!! :thumbup:

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Opposite here. Don't care much for a Crusader. Never heard of it before M3 mentioned it. I'm all for a Corsair though.

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I doubt very seriously that the developers pay much attention to what we think they should devote their resources to but if they ever do, I'd vote for a priority being put on the Crusader. It will look great sitting on one of the Forestall class CVA's that HB is building. :thumbup:

 

I say this with great reluctance because I am a huge Corsair fan and especially if it were operating off a carrier but I am just not confident that it will be released with a proper WWII era carrier and we'll only have a map of Iwo Jima to putter around on. So, if my vote counted, it would be for the Mig Killer!! :thumbup:

 

I know the French Navy had -7's, but a you'd be a fakey paint job away from looking the part over Normandy map!!

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Yeah Robert, I have a fairly active imagination, and the map is not all that important to me but the carrier is hard to disguise. Somehow, the Corsair rolling out in the groove behind the Stennis or a Forrestall class carrier would sand away whatever wood I started out with!! :megalol:

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Yea, a Corsair would get me in WWII planes, which would mean Normandy map and WWII Assets. Would love to see a Wasp or Yorktown.

 

 

 

I would guess you mean Essex-class carriers? Not CV-7 Wasp or CV-5 Yorktown, which were sunk before the Corsair came into the picture.

(CV-5 sunk in June '42, CV-7 sunk in Sept '42...VF-12 carrier qualified in the F4U in April '43).

So an Essex-class carrier in late WWII configuration. CV-10 Yorktown or CV-18 Wasp. I would think two Essex-class models would fit the bill for all 24 units except Oriskany. There were 10 Short Bow and 14 Long Bow versions, which I think mainly differed at the bow and a small difference in length of flight deck. For the WWII era, I would say a short-hull version so that one 3D model could act as CV-9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 16, 17, 18, 20 & maybe 31, just by changing the number and the name at the stern. According to Wikipedia, the F4U-1D "was a prominent participant in the fighting for the Palaus, Iwo Jima, and Okinawa." But mainly as a fighter-bomber or Kamikaze CAP. Prior to that, the Corsair was mainly land based in the South Pacific. Of course, in DCS you can fly them in the Persian Gulf, if you want.

 

 

This version of Essex carrier would probably serve for a Korea-era, too. Although, I think many of the AAA guns were removed by that time and more powerful hydraulic catapults installed for jets, like the F9F Panther and F2H Banshee. The Corsair of that time was the F4U-4, I think, with four 20mm guns instead of six 50-cal. Also, the AD-4 Skyraiders played a big part. Since DCS has none of those aircraft, the Naval Aviation portion of Korea will have to wait a while.

 

 

For the Vietnam Era, there were 7 extensively modified Essex-class carriers that could operate the F-8 Crusader and A-4 Skyhawk. CVA-11, 14, 16, 19, 31, 34 and 38. These 7 had two, longer, C-11 Steam catapults, JBD's and an angled flight deck, as well as a modernized island structure. So, again, one 3D model and 7 numbers and names. Of the other ships in the class, some were modified with angled flight decks but only given hydraulic catapults, and others retained the original straight flight deck, so with a minor exception, they could not operate jets in the 60's and 70's (they did in the late 50's, though).

 

 

In summary, one WWII-version 3D model with 10 possible hull numbers/names and one Vietnam-era version 3D model with 7 possible hull numbers/names. Of course, some appropriate escort ships will be required. No Aegis cruisers ever escorted Essex-class carriers.

 

 

I think an Iwo Jima and Okinawa map would be good. Wouldn't it be fairly easy and quick since the land area is very small? They would be like 99% open ocean. How hard is it to model that? A Solomon Islands map would be more work. Umm...there's no Zero's in DCS.

 

 

No coordination and cooperation means a rag-tag mess of planes, ship and maps.

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Don't forget the CVE. Corsairs operated off of them in both WWII and Korea. :thumbup:

 

 

 

Oh, I definitely did not forget them!! Just figured I type too much, too long. :) I want to see CVE's, too. And the CVL's. But then I'll want a Battle of Midway map and the TBD Devastator, SBD Dauntless, F4F Wildcat and F6F Hellcat, SB2C Helldiver and TBF/TBM Avenger. And then, too, not to forget the USAAF planes. But it'll will be 2030 before we get any of these, I'm afraid. Unless there's some way to get several developer teams into full-time, high gear. And they'll all have nothing to do unless there are IJN carriers, which seemed to have been built in pairs (2-ship classes). And all the escort ships. And, of course, the A6M Zero, D3A Val and D4Y Judy dive-bombers, B6N Jill torpedo bomber, B5N Kate attack bomber, and B4M Betty land-based bomber.

 

 

Actually, I think a Philippine Sea map would be good. A vast expanse of ocean about 1400nm x 1000nm, that contains Guam, Rota, Tinian, Saipan, Truk, Ulithi, Yap and the Palau Islands. Still, it would be about 99.9% open ocean and shouldn't be a huge download. This was the site of the largest carrier battle of WWII, in 1944. It involved 221 combat ships, including 24 aircraft carriers and 12 battleships, and 1,350 carrier-based aircraft and another 300 land-based aircraft. Around 700 aircraft were destroyed in the battle, but only 5 ships sunk. In DCS, this could serve to simulate long-range battles at sea (in any time period) in which operating off a carrier is the only option. Although the map would contain several islands with airfields, too. Maybe a map with two options, 1944 or 2010 or so. The difference being mainly in radio navaids and paved runways. Perhaps also it could be a map with realistic, large weather systems with realistic clouds.

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