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2 hours ago, Harlikwin said:

The bigger question in my mind is if the iranian cat will actually come with the correct missiles AND the limitations of those missiles since they were ad-hoc integrated. (i.e. no SEAM for the iranian sidewinders)

Considering those air force AIM-9s (starting with the 9E) did have the ability to uncage the seeker, I'd assume SEAM would just enable you to uncage the missile and be on your merry way. Plus the Iranian F-14 we're getting isn't going to get those really improvised weapons mounted on F-14s (Hawk missiles, R-27s, etc.) so it shouldn't be too much of a change.

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2 hours ago, Harlikwin said:

The bigger question in my mind is if the iranian cat will actually come with the correct missiles AND the limitations of those missiles since they were ad-hoc integrated. (i.e. no SEAM for the iranian sidewinders)

Considering Heatblur hadn't originally planned for an Iranian F-14 at all, I think the idea now is that it'll just be the -135 Early with maybe a removable TCS and missile load limits. I wouldn't expect the avionics to be any different from the -135 Early. But I could be wrong. I keep being so lately. It would be a nice surprise if, but that's not a breath I'm gonna hold.

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13 minutes ago, TLTeo said:

They will probably also allow some AIM-9J/P variant since there are so many of them in the game, but yeah I wouldn't expect them to model the AIM-9E just for a relatively niche variant.

I don't think the AIM-9E was even equipped on Iranian F-14s considering the AIM-9E's age by the time the F-14s were acquired. Modelling the 9E probably will come with HB's F-4 implementation tho.

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You might be right. I was under the assumption that since Iran had 9Es for their Phantoms and hacked whatever they could on their Tomcats out of desperation, the F-14 would also have carried that missile. I have only really found one picture of something that looks like a 9E on an Iranian Tomcat though, everything else looks like a 9J/P.

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On 7/31/2022 at 5:43 PM, WarthogOsl said:

Just to be clear, I am not at all advocating that we get any sort of IRST with the HB F-14...I just find it an interesting subject.  At any rate, here's some info about IRST's of that era, in this case, on the F-106 (source https://www.f-106deltadart.com/weapons.html😞

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It’s basically a Sidewinder head. It sees an IR bright spot and tells you where it’s looking. That’s not search and track. That’s just a very good sidewinder. 

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8 minutes ago, RustBelt said:

It’s basically a Sidewinder head. It sees an IR bright spot and tells you where it’s looking. That’s not search and track. That’s just a very good sidewinder. 

Read the article.  It's from a first hand source.

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Oh I’m sorry, you confused my statement for baseless accusations. The 106 had basically a bigger heavier sidewinder seeker bolted to it. Most of the point of sidewinder was making a smaller version of that which you could afford to blow up. 
 

plotting Azimuth and Elevation is not a track. It’s just a return. 
 

I’m sure all the senator and industry big wigs spoiled brat kids who were put in 106 National guard units to hide from serving in Vietnam thought they were great given that pac-man hadn’t been invented yet. 

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Did the Iranians ever field Sparrows on their Turkeys? 

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F-14A-95GR is as early as I think I want, though US Navy more than Iran.  And of course later F-14B-155GR with DFCS, GPS/CDNU, Sparrowhawk and F-14D-170GR

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8 hours ago, captain_dalan said:

Did the Iranians ever field Sparrows on their Turkeys? 

Yes. Just not any Sparrows newer then Es.

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4 hours ago, DSplayer said:

Yes. Just not any Sparrows newer then Es.

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On 8/2/2022 at 3:59 AM, TLTeo said:

You might be right. I was under the assumption that since Iran had 9Es for their Phantoms and hacked whatever they could on their Tomcats out of desperation, the F-14 would also have carried that missile. I have only really found one picture of something that looks like a 9E on an Iranian Tomcat though, everything else looks like a 9J/P.

99% sure you mean AIM-7Es and not AIM-9Es, the USN used AIM-7E-4s for a few months during 1975s before moving to the AIM-7F, its the AIM-7E/E-2 that they had from their F-4s that they had to retroactively add to the aircraft.

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On 8/1/2022 at 10:14 AM, DSplayer said:

Considering those air force AIM-9s (starting with the 9E) did have the ability to uncage the seeker, I'd assume SEAM would just enable you to uncage the missile and be on your merry way. Plus the Iranian F-14 we're getting isn't going to get those really improvised weapons mounted on F-14s (Hawk missiles, R-27s, etc.) so it shouldn't be too much of a change.

So. I think there this alot of misunderstanding about the sidewinder family and its development history. I think alot of people assume it goes A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,J, L. etc. And munge features together with the logic if missile A had it surely the next missile did too cuz its "better".

The reality is that there was the 9B (and a few different subtypes of it). And then the family tree broke off into the AF and Navy chains (and eventually Army, and foreign chains). 

Basically the Navy went with the China Lake developed missiles with gas cooled detectors, better motors, and advanced features like SEAM. So you basically have the Navy chain looking like 9B, 9D, 9G (first SEAM), 9H

The AF didn't like China lake, and went with a different contractor. So they had the 9B, the 9E, and the 9J and later 9N and the various 9P series. All the AF missiles were peltier cooled and the 9E could uncage the seeker which is a good feature. But no documentation I've seen suggests the AF missiles had the ability to use SEAM prior to the 9P-5. Thats right the 90's era 9P-5 is the first missile of that series that I've seen documented proof that it had SEAM. 

The 9L and M were derived from the 9H and built by china lake, so in that case those of course do have SEAM. 


The 9J is specifically called out as not having SEAM on the tomcat which was of course designed to use the Navy versions of sidewinders. And of course the difference between gas cooled missile pylons and adapting those for electrical supplies for the 9J (Peltier cooled) must have been "fun" for the Iranians. And similarly I think adapting whichever version of the 7E the Iranian phantoms had to the Iranian cats was probably not fun either. 

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On 8/1/2022 at 4:22 PM, RustBelt said:

It’s basically a Sidewinder head. It sees an IR bright spot and tells you where it’s looking. That’s not search and track. That’s just a very good sidewinder. 

Its not actually. IIRC the 106 IRST used a PbSe seeker which gave it halfway decent MWIR capability. Kinda like the soviet R60/R60M series. 

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From a use standpoint it “basically is” in that it can point at and fixate on an IR heat source. And that gives you an Azimuth and Heading. It was a much better unit but needed a lot more space and weight than a missile. And of course it also was tied to a display and weapon system etc….


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IRIAF F-14A would be less than the 145GR/Early, as it's a 90GR at it's core.

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Is there going to be an Iranian F-14 being added?

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