streakeagle Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 I must say that the MCG Pro is currently the best stick I ever used. Sure, this is some kind of plastic but the build quality is phenomenal. I'd like to think the price difference is due to the metal used in the Hornet stick, plus licencing fees. I 100% agree: the MCG Pro is the bomb! Just a matter of seeing how long it lasts and how much it costs to fix/replace it when things go wrong. I am not a fan of metal stick grips. The point is to replicate the real thing, which isn't metal (at least not the part your hand touches). I have a real B-8 grip from an F-4 Phantom. It is a very high quality plastic or resin on the outside that is super sturdy, pleasing to look at, and diamond textured on the sides like pistol grips to feel comfortable. It is metal on the inside, which makes it feel heavy/solid. Between the Warthog grip and the MCG Pro, neither of which 100% correctly replicates a real life grip, I will take the MCG Pro, not just because I love the base and can use the analog brake lever with several DCS aircraft, but because I prefer the feel of the plastic with diamond texture to the feel of smooth, cold metal. But the MCG Pro doesn't feel as sturdy or look as nice as a real grip. On the flip side, the MCG Pro is easy to take apart to repair/replace parts. But I still love the Warthog stick and will gladly get the F/A-18C stick as well. There is no rule that says I can only own and enjoy one stick. If the reviews are good for the WingWing F/A-18C hotas, I may get that one as well. I am most likely going to end up with two simpits: one tailored to replicate the F-4 Phantom but can easily be converted back to the Warthog HOTAS, and one loosely favoring the F/A-18C with the intent to also support other modern fighters with MFDs. When I am done, I will end up having enough left over hardware to support making one or two more simpits, but it also means I have some redundancy. When something fails, I won't have to do without while waiting for repair/replacement. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sokol1_br Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Thrustmaster uses higher specification buttons and mechanisms generally.. :huh: Under the "hood": http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e27/hrvhegeykc/IMG_20150109_220853_zps5dd57673.jpg~original The tactile switch - the exposed PCB at left, don't looks a "higher specification" hardware, and certainly cost less than these: https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/omron-electronics-inc-emc-div/B3F-4155/SW967-ND/368375 Similar model was used in Tm F16FLCS, F22PRO in 90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Warthog grip cost $110. F/A-18 grip is $229. What makes it worth twice as much? I'd like to think i'm not a sucker. I won't buy it. TM is too full of themselves. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav IRL Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 It feels very nice in hand and is a massive upgrade over the old A-10C style grip. Fundamentally and upgrade from the warthog l? It looks really big to be honest Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 4.8 I7, 1080, TMW&T, SSD, VKB MK.IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGraw Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 This looks nice but you just can’t compare it with an MCG pro unless you are building a pit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayos Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Not worth it for me unless they come out with another Cougar. I won't fly the F-18 again when the Vipers comes out. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra99 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 (edited) $229.99!!!! They can keep it. Obviously TM doesn't realize there are other options. Yeah...about that...I had a chance to handle both a Virpil Stick and base and the Hornet Stick this weekend in Orlando. In my opinion The Virpil stick felt "Cheap" compared to the Hornet. No Comparison. The Price isn't that unreasonable for something that I don't have to wonder about being compatible with my system... As for Winwing...I'll believe it when I see it. I believe there are lots of people out there looking at their Throttle and side panel...but I can get a Hornet stick for 229.00...their Hornet Stick is close to 400.00 if ya use simple math and split the costs of their throttle and Stick. And all of your other sticks may or may not work with it. Edited June 9, 2019 by Sierra99 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Primary Computer ASUS Z390-P, i7-9700K CPU @ 5.0Ghz, 32GB Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 @ 3200Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce 1070 Ti AMP Extreme, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe drives (1Tb & 500 Gb), Windows 10 Professional, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Warthog Stick, Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle, Cougar MFDs x3, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals and TrackIR 5. -={TAC}=-DCS Server Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, i7-3770K CPU @ 3.90GHz, 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 @ 1600Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 970. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladman Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 I can see no use for more than one stick so I don't care if others don't work. Your simple math doesnt work when you take into consideration the winwing will come with around 600 dollars with of panels around the throttle its an easy decision. i9 9900K @ 5.1Ghz - ASUS Maximus Hero XI - 32GB 4266 DDR4 RAM - ASUS RTX 2080Ti - 1 TB NVME - NZXT Kraken 62 Watercooling System - Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas (Virpil Base) - MFG Crosswind Pedals - Pimax 5K+ VFA-25 Fist Of The Fleet [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic99190_2.gif[/sigpic] Virtual Carrier Strike Group 1 | Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustBelt Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 And you're doing the math a bit wrong. The whole setup is $600 then you sell the throttle and and side panel for $400 and the stick just only cost you $200. A lot of people just want the throttle, me included, and they won't sell it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustBelt Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Warthog grip cost $110. F/A-18 grip is $229. What makes it worth twice as much? I'd like to think i'm not a sucker. I won't buy it. TM is too full of themselves. The Boeing hologram sticker on the box. Because I guess all our tax dollars aren't enough for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 I can see no use for more than one stick so I don't care if others don't work. Your simple math doesnt work when you take into consideration the winwing will come with around 600 dollars with of panels around the throttle its an easy decision. How is that one little panel with $1.50/ea Chinese switches $600? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk VR Cockpit (link): Custom Throttletek F/A-18C Throttle w/ Hall Sensors + Otto switches | Slaw Device RX Viper Pedals w/ Damper | VPC T-50 Base + 15cm Black Sahaj Extension + TM Hornet or Warthog Grip | Super Warthog Wheel Stand Pro | Steelcase Leap V2 + JetSeat SE VR Rig: Pimax 5K+ | ASUS ROG Strix 1080Ti | Intel i7-9700K | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master | Corsair H115i RGB Platinum | 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3200 | Dell U3415W Curved 3440x1440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustBelt Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 :huh: Under the "hood": http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e27/hrvhegeykc/IMG_20150109_220853_zps5dd57673.jpg~original The tactile switch - the exposed PCB at left, don't looks a "higher specification" hardware, and certainly cost less than these: https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/omron-electronics-inc-emc-div/B3F-4155/SW967-ND/368375 Similar model was used in Tm F16FLCS, F22PRO in 90's. For the price they're asking I would expect OTTO P1-1's not a tactile in a fake can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansangb Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 How is that one little panel with $1.50/ea Chinese switches $600? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That's true of every joystick, no? Unless you consider the CNC, Laser, development cost (it's going to come with some software) manual labor to solder, put it together etc. And as for the person who mentioned the TMWH having quality "hardware inside" I do like the tactile feedback of the switches. Feels nice and solid. However, the wiring is a piece of crap. I mean they used the minimum gauge possible with the smallest amount of solder you can get away with. If you just blow on it, with the parts open, you can disconnect a cable. And while my TM is older, and never had a stiction issue, I wish they made the connector stronger. I guess stainless steel would have added too much overhead. hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansangb Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 How is that one little panel with $1.50/ea Chinese switches $600? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That's true of every joystick/throtole, no? Unless you consider the CNC, Laser, development cost (it's going to come with some software) manual labor to solder, put it together etc. And injection molding for plastic parts. And as for the person who mentioned the TMWH having quality "hardware inside" I do like the tactile feedback of the switches. Feels nice and solid. However, the wiring is a piece of crap. I mean they used the minimum gauge possible with the smallest amount of solder you can get away with. If you just blow on it, with the parts open, you can disconnect a cable. And while my TM is older, and never had a stiction issue, I wish they made the connector stronger. I guess stainless steel would have added too much overhead. hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladman Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 How is that one little panel with $1.50/ea Chinese switches $600? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk There's not many places you can buy the panels. PCFlights being one of them. One panel, half a dozen switches, a bodnar board and your into each panel for 100-200 dollars each. The winwing comes with about 4 from what I see. i9 9900K @ 5.1Ghz - ASUS Maximus Hero XI - 32GB 4266 DDR4 RAM - ASUS RTX 2080Ti - 1 TB NVME - NZXT Kraken 62 Watercooling System - Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas (Virpil Base) - MFG Crosswind Pedals - Pimax 5K+ VFA-25 Fist Of The Fleet [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic99190_2.gif[/sigpic] Virtual Carrier Strike Group 1 | Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Keep in mind also that WINWING is a fairly new player with unproven records (at least in the non-Chinese market). The initial asking price seems reasonable but we have no idea regarding quality, craftsmanship, performance, availability, customer support etc. At least for TM products, I know that I can get new parts or replacements within 1-1.5 weeks (when my throttle board broke recently, TM support got back to me within 2 hours of email enquiry and I received a new one within one week). That is the kind of service that minimizes the aggravation when things break, and the kind of support that people can rely on. PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DataHawk Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Anyone know if its possible to switch the trim and castle switch around for a more AV-8B like stick ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra99 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Anyone know if its possible to switch the trim and castle switch around for a more AV-8B like stick ? I have one on order and I'll let ya know... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Primary Computer ASUS Z390-P, i7-9700K CPU @ 5.0Ghz, 32GB Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 @ 3200Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce 1070 Ti AMP Extreme, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe drives (1Tb & 500 Gb), Windows 10 Professional, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Warthog Stick, Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle, Cougar MFDs x3, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals and TrackIR 5. -={TAC}=-DCS Server Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, i7-3770K CPU @ 3.90GHz, 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 @ 1600Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 970. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra99 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 And you're doing the math a bit wrong. The whole setup is $600 then you sell the throttle and and side panel for $400 and the stick just only cost you $200. A lot of people just want the throttle, me included, and they won't sell it that way. The whole setup up is $799.95...that being said...they seem to be standing by their all or nothing business model... .I'll give em a look once they start selling the throttle separately. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Primary Computer ASUS Z390-P, i7-9700K CPU @ 5.0Ghz, 32GB Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 @ 3200Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce 1070 Ti AMP Extreme, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe drives (1Tb & 500 Gb), Windows 10 Professional, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Warthog Stick, Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle, Cougar MFDs x3, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals and TrackIR 5. -={TAC}=-DCS Server Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, i7-3770K CPU @ 3.90GHz, 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 @ 1600Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 970. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustBelt Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 It is a fully licensed product from Boeing Thing is though, it’s not a Boeing design. The real one is an off the shelf grip with Otto equipment in it. I don’t actually see any value in it being licensed, and I suspect that cutesy hologram sticker is there just to justify the cost of the design overrun. It’s not a BETTER grip than the Warthog/F-16 stick which for under $200 also comes with a whole joystick base. And also as a US tax payer, I paid McDonnel-Boeing to design that plane. If anything it’s “brand” is tenuously in the US public domain since the US Government commissioned the design of the thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustBelt Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 The whole setup up is $799.95...that being said...they seem to be standing by their all or nothing business model... .I'll give em a look once they start selling the throttle separately. I agree too. They keep just saying its a “marketing” so I suspect THEY are buying the units as a set and so that’s the only way they can sell em. It’s a pain because it does look like a nice throttle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waxer Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 ...I suspect THEY are buying the units as a set and so that’s the only way they can sell em. When you say "THEY" you are referring to WinWing. What information are you basing your opinion on? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustBelt Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 When you say "THEY" you are referring to WinWing. What information are you basing your opinion on? I literally said the fact that they refer to it as a "Marketing" Also that at some point in one of the many threads they said they "get them" like this. So it's either a repackage and sale, or they have a contracted manufacture, or some mixture of both. Whatever way, it's clear they don't have separated products in their distribution line, everything is one boxed at least in their current runs. Based on some of the ways I've seen Manufacture and Distribution they may not even have them to break open and split up. They may be direct dispatched from the manufacturing center to shipping. Not that stuff like Thrustmaster is any diffrent really. You don't really bother sending stuff to you first before then shipping it to retail. That's just an extra un-needed step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamison01 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Anyone know if its possible to switch the trim and castle switch around for a more AV-8B like stick ?I also have one on order, I would guess that you will probably have to print a new faceplate, but I don't know if the switches are on a circuit board. We won't know until somebody gets one in hand and takes it apart. Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flywaldair (Skynet dev.) Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Got my hornet stick in the mail this morning! For those of you living in Switzerland you can currently order the stick here: https://www.conrad.ch/de/p/thrustmaster-f-a-18c-hornet-hotas-add-on-grip-joystick-pc-1848899.html Skynet: an Integrated Air Defence System for DCS. Download here! The best flying school in Switzerland mfgz.ch :music_whistling::music_whistling::pilotfly: Follow my flying adventures on YouTube:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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