Geier Posted September 28, 2007 Author Share Posted September 28, 2007 Isn't he that poor idiot who wanted RuAF help to bomb Kremlin during power struggle with Yeltsin in 1993? Yes, he was a vice-president in early 90...That was very strange period in our history, sometimes I shame for those politicians. But - nevetheless he was a bad politician - he was a real hero of Afghan war. He was awarded with Gold Star of Soviet Union Hero ! He's introduced the new low altitude attack for frogfoots, Su25 became to use X29L and X25... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geier Posted September 28, 2007 Author Share Posted September 28, 2007 It was better choice but still not good enough. Simply S-25 lacks integrated laser-TV targeting system like "Kaira" found on Su-24M and MiG-27K. That is why Su-25 can't acquire and strike targets beyond pilot's visual range which was the worst thing in Afghanistan, I think. Also laser guided missiles fired from Su-25 aren't true fire and forget weapons like X-25MT, X-29T, X-59 or KAB-500KR, KAB-1500KR/TK. Even X-25L, X-29L and LGBs launched form Fencers and Floggers-J are a lot better solution because launching platform needn't follow missile till hitting target. Hehe - 80s... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Groove Posted September 28, 2007 ED Team Share Posted September 28, 2007 Laser guided weapons arent fire and forget Rokoswsky. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RvETito Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Isn't he that poor idiot who wanted RuAF help to bomb Kremlin during power struggle with Yeltsin in 1993? What he is also famous with is that he is the only one to be shot down by A2A missile in that war- AIM-9 by pakistani F-16A. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RvETito Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Another proof of Soviet irredeemable stupidity. After such provocation whole Pakistani Air Force should have been annihilated by the Soviets in a couple of days. Well I'm not quite sure whether it could be classified as a provocation because AFAIK Rutskoy's Su-25 has been shot down in plain pakistani airspace. I've read that there's one pakistani F-16A downed in unknown circumstances- poping in the border region where MiG-23MLD's have been making a medium altitude bombing run. Sounds pretty much like a phantasy but one could read anything these days... "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geier Posted September 28, 2007 Author Share Posted September 28, 2007 What he is also famous with is that he is the only one to be shot down by A2A missile in that war- AIM-9 by pakistani F-16A. Exactly:smilewink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geier Posted September 28, 2007 Author Share Posted September 28, 2007 Another proof of Soviet irredeemable stupidity. LOL Did you hear that Mig23 shot down the Pakistan F16 there by simple bomb;)? The pair of Migs were bombing by using pull-up. The F16 occasionaly (of course, soviets were stupid and couldn't even imagine such dogfight) appeared under the Russians and the leader was shot down by FAB airbomb... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geier Posted September 28, 2007 Author Share Posted September 28, 2007 Well I'm not quite sure whether it could be classified as a provocation because AFAIK Rutskoy's Su-25 has been shot down in plain pakistani airspace. I've read that there's one pakistani F-16A downed in unknown circumstances- poping in the border region where MiG-23MLD's have been making a medium altitude bombing run. Sounds pretty much like a phantasy but one could read anything these days... Yes, this case is real , I wrote about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RvETito Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Fortunately it's not that easy Roko. Even then attacking an independant country hasn't been a 'routine' task. The russians have shot down Gary Powers, why the americans didn't invade them for that? "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Groove Posted September 28, 2007 ED Team Share Posted September 28, 2007 Doesn't matter if Su-25 was downed over Pakistan or Afghanistan. Anyway it was a good reason to settle a score with Pakistanis for helping Afghan insurgency. The best response would be destruction of Pakistani aircrafts on the ground striking their airfields with massive, repeated air raids. Soviets spent a lot of time contemplating such attack against NATO airfields in West Germany. So it was time and opportunity for practice training! :D Risking a war with the US of A ? Remember Vietnam ? USA didnt attacked NV back then because they were afraid the big red bear could response harshly. Other question: Anyone has pictures of this ultra heavy bombs Soviets used in Afghanistan ? Like KB-6000 Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Groove Posted September 28, 2007 ED Team Share Posted September 28, 2007 I remember Vietnam very well but you probably don't at all. You are very confident of your history knowledge. Laos and Cambodia had no russian advisors, at least not officially. I cant recall an assault on North Vietnam coming from the south. There were some bombing of North Vietnam but not certain vital parts of the country. Maybe Operation Linebacker II, but that was too late... Even its offtopic i recommend everybody a book about MACV-SOG which were the fathers of SFOD-D. "SOG: The Secret Wars of America's Commandos in Vietnam" by John Plaster. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
192nd_Erdem Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Fortunately it's not that easy Roko. Even then attacking an independant country hasn't been a 'routine' task. The russians have shot down Gary Powers, why the americans didn't invade them for that? Because they had right to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xealot Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 quote removed Relevance?? :poster_spam: 1 The community newbie http://winsbydefault.com/pics/dctf1ibxh7.gif Replace this image! It's too big! © Administration (max size: 150pix height, 50kb) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadman Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 You have no Idea what your talking about The same Pakistan didn't entertain any official US advisers except secret CIA agents who trained Mujaheddins. https://www.shapeways.com/shops/a-10c-warthog-supplies https://forum.dcs.world/topic/133818-deadmans-cockpit-base-plans/#comment-133824 CNCs and Laser engravers are great but they can't do squat with out a precise set of plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilBivol-1 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Politics moved to to chit-chat here. Tanks moved to chit-chat here. - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilBivol-1 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Now then, back on topic... In 1982, the Soviets in Afghanistan set up a mission to raid and interdict a large Mujahadeen camp and heroin warehouse in the Afghanistan, Iran and Pakistan border area. See the recon photo with package assignments below. The LZ was to be marked by illumination flares, but a wind miscalculation led to these drifting well (~10km?) inside the Iranian border as they parachuted down. Consequently, the entire assault force in Mi-8 and Mi-6 helicopters proceeded to land inside Iran and raid a nearby cement factory, which the troops figured was the heroin warehouse. Two pairs of Iranian F-4s were quickly sent up to intercept the intruders. In the second photo below, you can see one of them firing a Sidewinder into the choppers. Two missiles were fired, one of which missed and the second failed to fuse. A follow-up cannon strafe from the second pair left two helicopters burning and at least one KIA on the ground. You can see the strafing pass in the third photo and the dud AIM-9 memorabilia in the fourth. The assault force quickly took off and hurried back into Afghanistan. They would return twice more later in the war, secure with MiG-23 escorts and more precise execution. The Soviets continued using illumination flares to mark targets throughout the war, but they would remove the parachutes. :) Images are taken from the 136th Fighter-Bomber Regiment library (website is no longer online) and Balu109 at the airforce.ru forums (http://forums.airforce.ru/showthread.php?t=1055). - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Groove Posted September 29, 2007 ED Team Share Posted September 29, 2007 OT: Rolling Thunder was bounded to be south of 19th parallel... On Topic: Very nice pics EvilBivol-1, they should have taken some Shorad with them :D Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBS17 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Because Soviets had hydrogen bomb then! :D On the other hand attacking independent but weak countries was and still is widely recognized US hobby. So USSR should had taught this from American masters. :D As I wrote here a coupe days ago: No war with US was possible in Pakistan because US would have no chance to win such a war with USSR there. Simply Reagan never dared to challenge Soviets in this hypothetical no-win adventure. I remember Vietnam very well but you probably don't at all. So I must remember you that US bombed North Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia for many years trying to destroy Ho-Shi-Mihn Trail. Why couldn't Soviet Union do the same with Pakistan? They simply couldn't risk starting a war with Pakistan as the weapons and manpower required would have mean't that somewhere else in Europe would have been weakened. It would not have stopped the insurgency either. In order to win such a conflict you need guys on the ground winning hearts and minds whilst denying the enemy resources. Actually Pakistans Air Force had very little to do with the insurgency at all besides border patrol. BTW Reagan did challenge the Soviet union with Star Wars which succeeded in bringing the Soviets to the table FYI:music_whistling:.(well that and probably Chernobyl) [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Groove Posted September 29, 2007 ED Team Share Posted September 29, 2007 Obviously something they were afraid of otherwise they would have attacked Pakistan. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Groove Posted September 29, 2007 ED Team Share Posted September 29, 2007 FAB-1500 dropped from high altitude in Afghanistan: Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Groove Posted September 29, 2007 ED Team Share Posted September 29, 2007 Maybe the higher ranks were aware of the state of the soviet army. This sommer my aunt told me about some visits to soviet bases in western poland back in the 80s for medical emergency support. I wont write it here because im sure i would be flamed by our russian friends... Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Groove Posted September 29, 2007 ED Team Share Posted September 29, 2007 In theory you are correct with the supplies. The true was another one. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geier Posted September 29, 2007 Author Share Posted September 29, 2007 FAB-1500 dropped from high altitude in Afghanistan: The silence of power... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geier Posted September 29, 2007 Author Share Posted September 29, 2007 Not at all. It is a sign of mindless jejuneness... ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Groove Posted September 29, 2007 ED Team Share Posted September 29, 2007 Moreover Soviet troops stationed in East Germany, Czechoslovakia and Poland were the best equipped of all Soviet Army. So I am not very confident in your account. Maybe your aunt visited some penal battalion? If the AFB in Brzeg is a penal battalion then yes. Afaik there were MiG-25 and MiG-23 stationed. She visited some bases around Wroclaw and the conscripts there were mostly in not so good condition. And remember Rokosowsky, you are only confident in your own account ;). So believe it or not. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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