[RESOLVED]Electric circuit problem

[.Tigre.]

Patch released today:

 

 

DCS Fw 190 A-8

• Fixed prop governor on cold plane.
  
• Electrical circuit breakers correction that had an influence on gear selection and weapon usage.
  

 

 

:thumbup:

[LeCuvier]

Test of CB behavior after today's update

 

1. I did several bumpy take-offs and I did not see the CB for the undercarriage (Fahrwerksantrieb) pop out. So there is no longer a problem with retracting the gear in the take-off process.

2. The "Generator" CB still pops out when...

a) I activate the Master Arm switch about 10 seconds after take-off.

In my opinion that's still a bug. This should not happen at all.

b) I fire a long burst (about 5 sec) with all guns.

In my opinion that's still a bug. This excessively long fire burst should pop

the CB's of the guns (there are 3 of them) - not the Generator CB.

 

So, there is (in my opinion) a big improvement, but still some work to do.

Edit: Even 3 minutes after wheels-up, the generator CB pops out when I activate Master Arms. With respect to Sydy's finding:By that time the engine oil temperature was at 50°C. :)

Edited October 31, 2019 by LeCuvier

[NineLine]

Can you include a track of any issues you see? That would be super helpful, thanks!

[LeCuvier]

Can you include a track of any issues you see? That would be super helpful, thanks!

I have attached the track, but unfortunately the track is garbage. It shows me messing around on the ground and trying to take off from the grass. That ends in a somersault. So the track only documents an issue with tracks.

Edit: I tried 2 more times; but each time the track is wrong and ends in a crash.

FW-190A8 CBs_Popping_20191031.trk

Edited October 31, 2019 by LeCuvier

[iFoxRomeo]

Can you include a track of any issues you see? That would be super helpful, thanks!

 

I reported this two months ago, asked a mod about it, but it seems of no interest

Its not the oil temperature, its not wether you are airborne or not. It is the engine rpm that triggers the generator cb to trip if you arm the weapons. Its case 1.2 in my report

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=248596

 

And the guns triggering the generator and battery cb are also in my report.

 

What is this bug subsection for, if the reports are not read and not categorized?

 

Fox

[fjacobsen]

I had the Generator CB tripping again today after updating.

I did not see when this occured though, just during the shut down process I found it to be tripped.

 

Landing gear CB and Battery CB stays in now, so that seems fixed.

[LeCuvier]

What is this bug subsection for, if the reports are not read and not categorized?

 

Fox

I'm sure NineLine reads these reports. However it is difficult to follow through as there are many threads about this subject. It would help if these reports were all in a single thread focussed on this subject. I have to admit that in the many cases you listed I did not catch the dependency on engine RPM (which I will try to validate today).

And it certainly doesn't help when some people muddy the water by insisting that this is not a bug but a feature, and therefore our issues are due to operator error.

[BIGNEWY]

Guns circuit breaker popping is reported, thank you

[BIGNEWY]

Hi

 

Thank you for your report, these issues are reported to the team.

 

Hopefully the sensitive circuit breakers will be addressed soon.

[Slazi]

Thanks, Big!

 

I've just bought this and was disappointed with this. I'm getting the breaker issue when firing both cannon sets. I'm doing instant action and air starts if that's important.

 

My targeting reticle also flickers and the cockpit lighting flickers unless I turn up the brightness with the knob.

 

Edit: map your first trigger stage to the breaker switch for a temp solution.

[AdmiralQuality]

Generator and Battery CBs STILL popping.

 

The changelog for OB Update says, "Electrical circuit breakers correction that had an influence on gear selection and weapon usage", but they're still not working well.

 

It's improved a bit, I can get the gear up now without having to stay right on the edge of stall speed, but firing even a single bank of gun or cannon for just a fraction of a second pops the generator breaker, and then the battery breaker follows soon after that if you fire again.

 

(Sorry to start a new topic about this but the old topic has been locked. Almost like you don't want to hear bug testing reports.)

[NineLine]

We close reports when they have been passed to the team and don't require any new feedback, but because this issue was not completely fixed, it's reasonable to start a new thread, I do ask that you supply a short track with your report though, thanks.

[NineLine]

Dear all, you should receive a small patch this morning, two LUA files were missed for this fix, so please check again after that. Thanks!

[LeCuvier]

Surprise, a new patch!

I tried this and found:

1. No problem with take-off (was already fixed with last update)

2. Generator CB still pops when you activate the Master Arm switch.

Visible in attached track at the end, just after I reduce RPM to below 2400.

3. I can now fire all guns until the ammo is depleted. The barrels are probably glowing, but no CB pops.

So it seems that today's patch has fixed the Generator CB popping when you fire a burst longer than 3 or 4 seconds.

Good progress!

 

PS: I'm surprised that this track is working!

FW-190A8 CBs_Popping_20191031.trk

Edited November 1, 2019 by LeCuvier

[BIGNEWY]

Surprise, a new patch!

I tried this and found:

1. No problem with take-off (was already fixed with last update)

2. Generator CB still pops when you activate the Master Arm switch.

Visible in attached track at the end, just after I reduce RPM to below 2400.

3. I can now fire all guns until the ammo is depleted. The barrels are probably glowing, but no CB pops.

So it seems that today's patch has fixed the Generator CB popping when you fire a burst longer than 3 or 4 seconds.

Good progress!

 

PS: I'm surprised that this track is working!

 

Hi

 

thanks for the track,

 

We will check, I am pretty sure we have this one already.

 

EDIT: Yes we have this reported, thanks

Edited November 1, 2019 by BIGNEWY

[AdmiralQuality]

Looks okay now, gear came up fine and at a reasonable airspeed and I was able to fire both sets of guns at the same time until ammo ran out.

 

(The track replay showed me taking off in the wrong direction and splashing into the ocean though. :/ )

[fjacobsen]

Generator CB still pops without any reason.

As other has noted - it seems it is related to engine RPM dropping too low.

 

This is after todays small update.

Edited November 1, 2019 by fjacobsen

[Slazi]

Looks okay now, gear came up fine and at a reasonable airspeed and I was able to fire both sets of guns at the same time until ammo ran out.

 

(The track replay showed me taking off in the wrong direction and splashing into the ocean though. :/ )

 

You imagined a perfect flight, but in reality you went for a swim.

[AdmiralQuality]

LOL! I have video evidence and the track file. Maybe I'll post them. :)

[iFoxRomeo]

Generator CB still pops without any reason.

As other has noted - it seems it is related to engine RPM dropping too low.

 

This is after todays small update.

Yes, I reported this behaviour. While your engine RPM is higher than 2100 and you then arm the weapons for the first time, the Generator CB will pop out.

 

 

Fox

[fjacobsen]

Yes, I reported this behaviour. While your engine RPM is higher than 2100 and you then arm the weapons for the first time, the Generator CB will pop out.

 

 

Fox

 

 

My initial "interim fix" fixes the Generator tripping for the time being.

 

Interim fix:

Open: \\DCS World OpenBeta\Mods\aircraft\FW-190A8\Cockpit\Script\Systems\weapon_system.lua

 

Change to these values:

 

ElecConsumerParamsGunHeater = {80, true, 5, 7}

ElecConsumerParamsGunFireSolenoid = {116, true, 15, 17}

ElecConsumerParamsMachineGunLoader = {8, true, 15, 17}

ElecConsumerParamsCannonLoader = {8, true, 15, 17}

ElecConsumerParamsGunCamera = {20, true, 18, 19} -- 10 watt for camera, and 10 for camera heater

 

If the values (as noted in the weapon_system.lua file) are in Watt, then the values present in the orignal weapon_system.lua (after the small update) seems weird.

Edited November 2, 2019 by fjacobsen

[iFoxRomeo]

My initial "interim fix" fixes the Generator tripping for the time being.

 

Interim fix:

Open: \\DCS World OpenBeta\Mods\aircraft\FW-190A8\Cockpit\Script\Systems\weapon_system.lua

 

Change to these values:

 

ElecConsumerParamsGunHeater = {80, true, 5, 7}

ElecConsumerParamsGunFireSolenoid = {116, true, 15, 17}

ElecConsumerParamsMachineGunLoader = {8, true, 15, 17}

ElecConsumerParamsCannonLoader = {8, true, 15, 17}

ElecConsumerParamsGunCamera = {20, true, 18, 19} -- 10 watt for camera, and 10 for camera heater

 

If the values (as noted in the weapon_system.lua file) are in Watt, then the values present in the orignal weapon_system.lua (after the small update) seems weird.

But that doesn't help for MP and IC.

Try to repair your DCS and then arm the weapons before starting the engine. Then report, if the CB still trips. I didn't have a cb trip since last update and arming before engine start/rpm below 2100.

 

Fox

[LeCuvier]

But that doesn't help for MP and IC.

Try to repair your DCS and then arm the weapons before starting the engine. Then report, if the CB still trips. I didn't have a cb trip since last update and arming before engine start/rpm below 2100.

 

Fox

First, thanks to fjacobsen for finding the right .lua file!

I use these settings:

ElecConsumerParamsGunHeater        = {80, true, 5, 7}
ElecConsumerParamsGunFireSolenoid      = {5.6, true, 15, 17}
[color=Blue][b]ElecConsumerParamsMachineGunLoader  = {150, true, 15, 17} -- original: 300
ElecConsumerParamsCannonLoader      = {150, true, 15, 17} -- original: 350[/b][/color]
ElecConsumerParamsGunCamera        = {20, true, 18, 19} -- 10 watt for camera, and 10 for camera heater

I only changed the two highlighted lines where the original values seemed excessive.

 

No more CB popping when I activate the master Arm switch, with the engine running at full speed.

I also flew in MP on the Burning Skies server. There is no issue with IC!

[AdmiralQuality]

No more CB popping when I activate the master Arm switch, with the engine running at full speed.

I also flew in MP on the Burning Skies server. There is no issue with IC!

 

So we can cheat? :(

[fjacobsen]

So we can cheat? :(

 

It´s not cheating.

 

 

If (as indicated) the values are in Watts, then those values I have used is based on the real load (lamperage and voltage reported by other users who have found those in some RL manuals) from the solenoids.