eatthis Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Nothing has changed on them. fair enough, i still need to find out why im suddenly having major problems with them though lol any idea if ed have altered anything relevant? 7700k @5ghz, 32gb 3200mhz ram, 2080ti, nvme drives, valve index vr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMike Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 fair enough, i still need to find out why im suddenly having major problems with them though lol any idea if ed have altered anything relevant? Not to my knowledge and rather unlikely imo. Are you sure your versions are up to date, etc, or maybe a mod might be causing issues or similar? Apart from the usual missile breaks crazy at the end, which sometimes the AI seems to "abuse", I would not have noticed that I get less kills. Heatblur Simulations Please feel free to contact me anytime, either via PM here, on the forums, or via email through the contact form on our homepage. http://www.heatblur.com/ https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eatthis Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Not to my knowledge and rather unlikely imo. Are you sure your versions are up to date, etc, or maybe a mod might be causing issues or similar? Apart from the usual missile breaks crazy at the end, which sometimes the AI seems to "abuse", I would not have noticed that I get less kills. dont think i have any mods and its upto date. crazy break close to target is what mine do 7700k @5ghz, 32gb 3200mhz ram, 2080ti, nvme drives, valve index vr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoGas Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 mine will not work at bvr anymore, they track perfectly till a hundred yards or so from the target then snap to pull huge lead and die, this is happening consistently to me vs ai and i dont understand why. they used to work 70-80% of the time but now i have to close and use acm mode to get any hits at all weird, what kind of AIM-54´s you are using? The AIM-54A MK47 is weak, the MK60 is very good, the AIM-54C besides the more or less smoke less engine is weak too….But, I dont see a hitting issue with all of the missiles at all, you just need to know which missile you use and you fire it in the right parameters, to get a high PK with it... You cant fire with a MK47 from 60 miles like you would with a MK60 from a high to high to catch a off guard guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eatthis Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 weird, what kind of AIM-54´s you are using? The AIM-54A MK47 is weak, the MK60 is very good, the AIM-54C besides the more or less smoke less engine is weak too….But, I dont see a hitting issue with all of the missiles at all, you just need to know which missile you use and you fire it in the right parameters, to get a high PK with it... You cant fire with a MK47 from 60 miles like you would with a MK60 from a high to high to catch a off guard guy. i mostly use the mk60 but ive tried the c. i havnt altered my launch parameters, at all, head on shots from co alt (give or take 5k feet). all the missiles track perfectly till a few hundred yards out and then suddenly snap to some bizarre angle, sometimes lag (like its chasing chaff) and sometimes lead which cant be chaff, it DEFFINATELY feels like a bug. i did more testing tonight fired a total of 11 missiles 9 of which were between 50 and 20 miles, all head on shots so serious closure speeds. 1 of them hit! used both tws and pd stt with the same results the other 2 i fired in acm mode and both hit np. its getting to the point im thinking about ditching them completely and trying the sparrow :( 7700k @5ghz, 32gb 3200mhz ram, 2080ti, nvme drives, valve index vr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoGas Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) i mostly use the mk60 but ive tried the c. i havnt altered my launch parameters, at all, head on shots from co alt (give or take 5k feet). all the missiles track perfectly till a few hundred yards out and then suddenly snap to some bizarre angle, sometimes lag (like its chasing chaff) and sometimes lead which cant be chaff, it DEFFINATELY feels like a bug. i did more testing tonight fired a total of 11 missiles 9 of which were between 50 and 20 miles, all head on shots so serious closure speeds. 1 of them hit! used both tws and pd stt with the same results the other 2 i fired in acm mode and both hit np. its getting to the point im thinking about ditching them completely and trying the sparrow :( you have a tacview? Edited August 13, 2019 by MoGas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chief Posted August 19, 2019 Author Share Posted August 19, 2019 Against highly maneuverable targets that weren't maneuvering. Three jets in close formation aren't maneuvering. They can't maneuver under those circumstances. During the Iran-Iraq War most Phoenix kills were against poorly trained pilots under the control of GCI, who didn't even know there was a missile inbound until it hit them. I'm not saying the Phoenix can't hit small maneuverable targets, I'm just saying that using the Iran-Iraq War as evidence is not sound because those small maneuverable targets weren't even maneuvering in most cases, and worse, were flown by untrained pilots. EXACTLY. May as well have been a bomber if they werent maneuvering. According to an ex 14 pilot I chatted with they are highly over modelled in DCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkasha_s_mishkoi Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Right now aim-54 is: 1. Magicly tracking from any distance without any RWR spikes, it's tracking even if F-14 that launched the missile is already went to spectators. 2. It's tracking through the mountains 3. It's impossible to notch, because it has it's own magical tracking and even if you notch the radar and drop the spike, it continue to track you. You can defeat it only kinematically or force it to hit the surface Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kievbsm Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) Right now aim-54 is: 1. Magicly tracking from any distance without any RWR spikes, it's tracking even if F-14 that launched the missile is already went to spectators. 2. It's tracking through the mountains 3. It's impossible to notch, because it has it's own magical tracking and even if you notch the radar and drop the spike, it continue to track you. You can defeat it only kinematically or force it to hit the surface :music_whistling: dreams are so bluе dreams... :doh: If HB made the Phoenix as described in your complaint, then everyone would only fly with these missiles and destroy the targets with 100% probability. Your wet fantasies are such funny fantasies ... :megalol: All have heard this before about AIM-120, R-77, EP-27ET, etc. Now the turn of AIM-54. Edited August 22, 2019 by kievbsm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoGas Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Right now aim-54 is: 1. Magicly tracking from any distance without any RWR spikes, it's tracking even if F-14 that launched the missile is already went to spectators. 2. It's tracking through the mountains 3. It's impossible to notch, because it has it's own magical tracking and even if you notch the radar and drop the spike, it continue to track you. You can defeat it only kinematically or force it to hit the surface it is too easy to be notched, should be harder………..:joystick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkasha_s_mishkoi Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Ok, i'll make a video for you and for the second guy. But you wont believe it, im sure. So my question is: what is your time zone? I'll host the server with simple mission (or you can host, there is no difference) so you will see this with you own mk1 eyeball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoGas Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Ok, i'll make a video for you and for the second guy. But you wont believe it, im sure. So my question is: what is your time zone? I'll host the server with simple mission (or you can host, there is no difference) so you will see this with you own mk1 eyeball Keep testing it, until you figure it out ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkasha_s_mishkoi Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) Keep testing it, until you figure it out ;) :music_whistling: dreams are so bluе dreams... :doh: If HB made the Phoenix as described in your complaint, then everyone would only fly with these missiles and destroy the targets with 100% probability. Your wet fantasies are such funny fantasies ... :megalol: All have heard this before about AIM-120, R-77, EP-27ET, etc. Now the turn of AIM-54. Here is the video and tac view Tacview file: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DQN5I5nPF1hAvzLKDjQ6cKJnWS4jIPk6/view?usp=sharing Edited August 23, 2019 by arkasha_s_mishkoi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoGas Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Right now aim-54 is: 3. It's impossible to notch, because it has it's own magical tracking and even if you notch the radar and drop the spike, it continue to track you. You can defeat it only kinematically or force it to hit the surface Impossible to notch? :joystick: Here is the video and tac view Tacview file: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DQN5I5nPF1hAvzLKDjQ6cKJnWS4jIPk6/view?usp=sharing Nothing new….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkasha_s_mishkoi Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Yep, impossible, even if you notch the radar, it’s useless, because it has two radars - one is good and can alarm your RWR and can be notched, second is magical, the problem is AIM-54 using it’s magical radar >Nothing new….. Well, another dude thought it's a "dreams are so bluе dreams..", but it's clear that aim-54 is the dumbest missile in the game as OP said, and it's tracking from any distance and tracking through the mountains, and yes you can't notch it. I can make another video with notching, but i think you should test it better yourself, to be honest i’m a little afraid of your tomcat fans denialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoGas Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Yep, impossible, even if you notch the radar, it’s useless, because it has two radars - one is good and can alarm your RWR and can be notched, second is magical, the problem is AIM-54 using it’s magical radar >Nothing new….. Well, another dude thought it's a "dreams are so bluе dreams..", but it's clear that aim-54 is the dumbest missile in the game as OP said, and it's tracking from any distance and tracking through the mountains, and yes you can't notch it. I can make another video with notching, but i think you should test it better yourself, to be honest i’m a little afraid of your tomcat fans denialism. wow didnt know that, about the two radars......when you call it the dumbest missile, and she is able to track you down, in any case, I would call it a "smart-ass" missile anyway....I dont even have the Tomcat, I fly the J11 the hole day… :noexpression: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkasha_s_mishkoi Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 wow didnt know that, about the two radars......when you call it the dumbest missile, and she is able to track you down, in any case, I would call it a "smart-ass" missile anyway....I dont even have the Tomcat, I fly the J11 the hole day… :noexpression: Just imagine what you can do with that missile in MP. My first (and last) sortie in the MP with Mk60 phoenixes was like tell the jester to lock the enemy, shot one from 30 miles, turn 180 and fly away, then get the kill. Repeated 4 times, got 4 kills. I know it's not the HB fault but can't wait that to be fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chief Posted September 7, 2019 Author Share Posted September 7, 2019 AIM-54 Just wondering when these are going to be fixed? Are they even being worked on? They are a joke as it is right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fri13 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Are they broken? In which way? What needs to be fixed? i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chief Posted September 7, 2019 Author Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) Apparently there is a lot wrong with it. For starter, it is behaving like the 120. Secondly it isn't an effective A2A weapons against maneuverable fighter. And when is the last time you seen a 54 go up to 80,000 and come down on its target. Havent seen it once in the hundred and hundreds of 54s I’ve seen fired. As well pitbulling off the rails? Not likely. I am "told" that heatblur has the correct modelling complete but ED won't use it Edited September 7, 2019 by chief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPatricks Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 They were always crap.. only Iran claims Iraqi kills using it, and thats' likely BS too! You are correct, they are supposed to hit Mach 5 and climb to between 80 and 100,000 feet, then dive on target. "U.S. combat experience - On January 5, 1999, a pair of US F-14s fired two Phoenixes at Iraqi MiG-25s southeast of Baghdad. Both AIM-54s' rocket motors failed and neither missile hit its target. On September 9, 1999, another US F-14 launched an AIM-54 at an Iraqi MiG-23 that was heading south into the no-fly zone from Al Taqaddum air base west of Baghdad. The missile missed, eventually going into the ground after the Iraqi fighter reversed course and fled north." Asus Z790-PLUS D4, Corsair 1000X PS / Intel i9-13900KF @5.8Gz - Corsair H150i Liquid CPU cooler, 64GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4 @3192mhz / 2TB M.2 NvMe Boot Drive (DCS World Beta installed here), 1TB M.2 Data drive, 1TB WD SATA drive, Zotac Gaming GeForce RTX 4090 Trinity 24GB - Nvidia 552.12 driver / 3 Samsung LC32G53TQWUXEN 32" 7680x1440 at 144Hz / Win11 Pro Ver. 23H2 - Build 22631.3447 TIR 5, TM Warthog HOTAS\VirPil stick base, MFG V3 Crosswind Pedals, TM MFDs on 2 8" Lilliputs/ Simgears ICP / Varjo Aero VR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagilem Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 @chief - just curious to know if you are saying that ED chooses not to use the correct model for the 54 for the purpose of making the F-14 more desirable? The folks that I see flying the F-14 would likely fly it no matter what... They like the AC. I wonder how much impact on sales there would be if they nerfed the 54 back to reality? :pilotfly: Specs: I9-9900k; ROG Strix RTX 2080ti; Valve Index HMD; 32GB DDR4 3200 Ram; Samsung 970 EVO 1TB SSD; TM Warthog with pedals, 3 TM MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy_99 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Theres already a thread ob it and theres an ED bug that was found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawk2174 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) Well this has been discussed in other threads, the kinematics of the missile drag wise is about as good as were going to get short of actual flyout charts. With the second part of the kinematics equaion lift actually being nerfed compared to real life. The amount of lift the missile has has been significantly reduced (down to a max of 7g's from the 18 possible for the A and 23+ for the C) due to guidance issues. All of this boils down to ED's missile guidance code being bad and not being fixed. Additionally still not giving HB access to the missile code in the first place let alone the full code. Edited September 7, 2019 by nighthawk2174 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepin1234 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Yep. It is time to add some real life behavior to this missile never was successful IRL. This missile is ruining DCS game play in that way implemented by developers. This thing is unrealistic. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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