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Watching academic videos I got an impression that the MFDs screens seem a little too small and hidden deep inside, always in the the shadow. On every pic of the real one they like more reachable, easier to read, bigger. ED might have all the measurements right but the perspective, lighting and shadows in the cockpit don't seem right. When Wags is setting some stuff there, it's like operating Nokia 3210 screens which fell on the floor...

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I would wait until you are sat in the cockpit, I am testing in VR and on a screen and it all looks good for me.

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We all know what another well known flight sim is, but even there they seem to pop up more in the front, like in those pics above. ON ED screenshots MFDs are way in the back, always in dark shadows- but maybe that's how real pilots see them, and I got the wrong impression all the time because of this 2D pics... :)

But if it's really the way they should be, I'm afraid they won't be as much fun to use, as in the Hornet... A computer simulation sometimes need to be a little off to a real-deal, in order to be playable.


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I say it looks good. My fear was the feeling of the ufc not projecting forward enough and the MFDs not sitting back. The 'other' sim (though old) is guilty of that in my opinion.

Wags and ED look to have done a stellar job. Never sat in the viper. This looks like the closest I will get. Looks great.

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I say it looks good. My fear was the feeling of the ufc not projecting forward enough and the MFDs not sitting back. The 'other' sim (though old) is guilty of that in my opinion.

Wags and ED look to have done a stellar job. Never sat in the viper. This looks like the closest I will get. Looks great.

 

I completely agree with you, the way the team did the cockpit gives you a nice sense of depth for the MFD's and an sense of protrusion for the middle console between the legs from the UFC down to the Nav.

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I sat in an F-16 not long ago - the pit is modelled perfectly and the MFDs are spot-on.

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I sat in an F-16 not long ago - the pit is modelled perfectly and the MFDs are spot-on.

 

 

I remember when I was on a EW course we had a guess who was a Viper driver from Shaw and he says the MFDs are so small and now with all the new software they everything is so cluttered with symbology it is crazy. They couldn't wait to get the centre pedestal display like the ANG. Also I did a ride in a Block 30 sim long time ago and yes they are small.


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That is a test bird, notice the additional switches and lights on the glare shield. Would not use that as reference.

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Hi,

 

 

The 4x4 mfds dont seem to have been swapped for bigger or smaller screens.

 

 

A couple other videos of various models. All show a consistent "knee picture"

 

 

 

 

 

 

For comparison, here is how close to the eye the legacy hornet screens are

 

 


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hip3rion,

To clarify, I do not think the CMFD in DCS look to small nor am I saying your wrong. Not trying to correct you, just pointing details about the references you are providing.

 

So a video of a test F-16 is not a good reference because it has other things in the cockpit that are not in the DCS version of the F-16 and people might think should be there.


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Just trying to providing context for the references

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This is a A model

 

 

 

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This may be closest to what we may get in DCS, considering it is a 11 year ahead of the DCS F-16. This is a D model block 50 from 2018.

Another angle form the last video


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Thank you for you patience.

 

 

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To the contrary

 

A computer simulation sometimes need to be a little off to a real-deal, in order to be playable.

 

Absolutely, 100% NOT.

 

A computer simulation needs to be as real as it gets. Computer game OTHER THAN SIMULATION, can indeed be a little off on the other hand. DCS always was, it is, and - I sure hope so - will remain SIMULATION.

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Absolutely, 100% NOT.

 

A computer simulation needs to be as real as it gets. Computer game OTHER THAN SIMULATION, can indeed be a little off on the other hand. DCS always was, it is, and - I sure hope so - will remain SIMULATION.

 

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Absolutely, 100% NOT.

 

A computer simulation needs to be as real as it gets. Computer game OTHER THAN SIMULATION, can indeed be a little off on the other hand. DCS always was, it is, and - I sure hope so - will remain SIMULATION.

 

+1

 

The pilot in the video above on the F16 cockpit tour mentions how small and tight the Vipers cockpit is. I really hope this is simulated for us in VR. I've seen other representations of an F16 cockpit, ok it was on a 2D screen, but it gives the impression that it's quite a large space to sit in, I know it's difficult to simulate on a 2D screen but still the pit looks very spacious.

 

I really hope they have simulated how small and tight the Vipers cockpit is when in VR. I think ED have done this rather well on the Spitfire which feels rightfully small when sitting in it in VR.

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Cockpit is made to correct size and dimensions,

 

What you are seeing is how depth perception and FoV affect how things appear on a flat 2D Screen.

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I remember when I was on a EW course we had a guess who was a Viper driver from Shaw and he says the MFDs are so small and now with all the new software they everything is so cluttered with symbology it is crazy.

 

 

The F-16 MFDs are indeed small...Which is why I am beginning the process of building a front panel so I can mount 7" displays behind mine so I can read the damn things...But I've been waiting close to 30 years for this jet soooo I'm not too upset.

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Watching academic videos I got an impression that the MFDs screens seem a little too small and hidden deep inside, always in the the shadow. On every pic of the real one they like more reachable, easier to read, bigger. ED might have all the measurements right but the perspective, lighting and shadows in the cockpit don't seem right. When Wags is setting some stuff there, it's like operating Nokia 3210 screens which fell on the floor...

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Neither of these is a "real " picture!

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