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I don't think I have this "certain" manual. But I'm American, if it's a public de-classified document I should be able to find it.

 

What you describe makes sense and if it's modeled in game would account for what appears to be animation and engine response not corresponding to throttle markings and diagram.

 

 

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So I discussed this at length with a very helpful fellow on discord and after reviewing everything he decided that its most likely that the in-game throttle was modeled purposely to have the in-game mil power occur higher up the throttle path and afterburner start after "max" line to assist with using standard hotas equipment as opposed to the real thing or high end equipment.

 

I wonder if IronMike could confirm that the in-game throttle was designed this way and purposely doesn't match the diagram travel path?


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So I discussed this at length with a very helpful fellow on discord and after reviewing everything he decided that its most likely that the in-game throttle was modeled purposely to have the in-game mil power occur higher up the throttle path and afterburner start after "max" line to assist with using standard hotas equipment as opposed to the real thing or high end equipment.

 

I wonder if IronMike could confirm that the in-game throttle was designed this way and purposely doesn't match the diagram travel path?

 

 

 

I agree. That’s sort of what I was thinking in lines of a DCS limitation. So all-in-all, it’s not correctly modeled, but for good reason. You can try PM IronMike, but I did see him posting something about his box being full. Are you on Facebook? Might try going that route?

 

 

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Looks exactly as in HB's F-14 to me:

 

That's interesting! So the function of the sim throttle is exactly correct. Mil power is near the end of the travel path, and the 3 stages of AB are in the short area towards the top end of the travel path (after detent). Cool!

 

So, back to the original original point: Neither the diagram on page 37 of the manual, nor the markings on the in-game throttle, reflect this throttle/engine behavior. Why?

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Probably because if you are flying it IRL you don't care, so the engineer puts something on there but no one really notices too much. Sounds a bit glib but day 1 someone will brief and say ok the idle cut off gate has finger lifts , for burner you push through the 1st gate and combat is the second gate. You may look at the markings day one but probably never again, notice in the video he describes the throttle ranges while moving the throttles , he never looks at the marking or anything it's all just muscle memory.

 

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Regarding the video and the real throttle, there is a physical detent between at the idle position and the Mil position, so your muscle memory I think is a bit easier given that you have a physical stop. Plus you have a real aircraft giving you real vibrations and acceleration to figure out where your throttle is located.

 

But that's all just an aside. I don't need to use the markings on the throttle to fly. I just need to know why they aren't accurate.

 

Like I said, I'd like to know from a firsthand source for sure if the engineers marked "mil" power haphazardly because none of the rest of the switchology in that cockpit that I can see is done without deliberation

 

Edit: and I do apologize as I realize this is sorta nitpicky. But if an engineer sent me a drawing of a washer that was the whole width of the page, but dimensioned it at like .125", I'd have to verify why his drawing looks so much different proportionally to his intended measurement just in case there wasn't an error somewhere.


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I had posited this before briefly, that perhaps the language was different in the late 60s /early 70s when the tomcat was manufactured and that's why "MI" power is labeled as an apparent range from idle to afterburner.

 

This unsourced post on the etiology of the term "military power" seemingly supports this idea: https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/44832/what-is-the-origin-of-the-term-military-power#44834

 

 

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This is the throttle of F14A :

 

 

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