ivo Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Hi, developers make please an option for easy in air refueling like in the old Falcon4. bye cpu:I7-6700k Z170 16GB Ram DDR4 Gtx 1080 8Gb DDR5 11GBs SSD 500 Gb 2 HDD 1Tb Evga supernova G2 850w Case Bequiet series 800 Silent base Win 10 pro 64 bit My wishlist: F-35/B-17G/F4U Corsair/Yak-3/P-40B Tomahawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaic Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 The open refueling door already does that. i7 - 9700k | EVGA 1080Ti | 32 DDR4 RAM | 750w PS | TM Warthog HOTAS/X-55 | Track IR 5 | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivo Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 even if I'm not aligned with the filler? cpu:I7-6700k Z170 16GB Ram DDR4 Gtx 1080 8Gb DDR5 11GBs SSD 500 Gb 2 HDD 1Tb Evga supernova G2 850w Case Bequiet series 800 Silent base Win 10 pro 64 bit My wishlist: F-35/B-17G/F4U Corsair/Yak-3/P-40B Tomahawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubberduck85 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 It's already easier than drogue. If anything, ED needs to rework AAR refueling as a whole, some items off the top of my head: *Tanker stating speed at which it flies *Tanker calling turns before executing them *Possibility to control tanker flight path from f10 map (so you can keep it safe and move it closer to the Frontline as needed) *Boom effect on refueled aircraft (ie moving it around *Option for infinite tanker fuel (so it doesn't rtb after a few refuels) *Create new "hybrid" class of tanker so that KC-135mprs can refuel planes with both drogue and boom Regards Sent from my Xiaomi MI8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harker Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 It's already easier than drogue. If anything, ED needs to rework AAR refueling as a whole, some items off the top of my head: *Tanker stating speed at which it flies *Tanker calling turns before executing them *Possibility to control tanker flight path from f10 map (so you can keep it safe and move it closer to the Frontline as needed) *Boom effect on refueled aircraft (ie moving it around *Option for infinite tanker fuel (so it doesn't rtb after a few refuels) *Create new "hybrid" class of tanker so that KC-135mprs can refuel planes with both drogue and boom +1 especially for the callouts and the boom effect. Better drogue physics (it's apparently worked on) would also be very much appreciated, alongside a newer S-3 tanker model. The vCVW-17 is looking for Hornet and Tomcat pilots and RIOs. Join the vCVW-17 Discord. F/A-18C, F-15E, AV-8B, F-16C, JF-17, A-10C/CII, M-2000C, F-14, AH-64D, BS2, UH-1H, P-51D, Sptifire, FC3 - i9-13900K, 64GB @6400MHz RAM, 4090 Strix OC, Samsung 990 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Kazansky Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 It's already easier than drogue. If anything, ED needs to rework AAR refueling as a whole, some items off the top of my head: *Tanker stating speed at which it flies *Tanker calling turns before executing them *Possibility to control tanker flight path from f10 map (so you can keep it safe and move it closer to the Frontline as needed) *Boom effect on refueled aircraft (ie moving it around *Option for infinite tanker fuel (so it doesn't rtb after a few refuels) *Create new "hybrid" class of tanker so that KC-135mprs can refuel planes with both drogue and boom Regards Sent from my Xiaomi MI8 Yeah +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivo Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 It's already easier than drogue. If anything, ED needs to rework AAR refueling as a whole, some items off the top of my head: *Tanker stating speed at which it flies *Tanker calling turns before executing them *Possibility to control tanker flight path from f10 map (so you can keep it safe and move it closer to the Frontline as needed) *Boom effect on refueled aircraft (ie moving it around *Option for infinite tanker fuel (so it doesn't rtb after a few refuels) *Create new "hybrid" class of tanker so that KC-135mprs can refuel planes with both drogue and boom Regards Sent from my Xiaomi MI8 This isn't easy refueling like Falcon4. On falcon 4 when you contact the tanker and you are under the plane even if you are not perfectly aligned the filler automatically hooks you cpu:I7-6700k Z170 16GB Ram DDR4 Gtx 1080 8Gb DDR5 11GBs SSD 500 Gb 2 HDD 1Tb Evga supernova G2 850w Case Bequiet series 800 Silent base Win 10 pro 64 bit My wishlist: F-35/B-17G/F4U Corsair/Yak-3/P-40B Tomahawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Kazansky Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) I'd bet if we get a contact that is more like the real thing, we would not need an easy refueling option. Now it is more than a "magic fuel box" (thx @ harlikwin) where we have to stay in to get fuel. That's not how it works with a boom IRL. The boom operator is a lot more of help IRL with contact and then he can move small planes like the Viper around so you don't have to be as exact as in DCS throttle and steering wise. source: Sierra99, former boom operator https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3966927&postcount=7 Edited December 4, 2019 by Tom Kazansky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parxuk Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I find the drogue easier. I can refuel the Hornet no problem, but I just can't manage it in the Viper. The tanker usually ends up going down in a ball of flames after I get frustrated and fire a sidewinder at it. Any suggestions gratefully received. It's already easier than drogue. If anything, ED needs to rework AAR refueling as a whole, some items off the top of my head: *Tanker stating speed at which it flies *Tanker calling turns before executing them *Possibility to control tanker flight path from f10 map (so you can keep it safe and move it closer to the Frontline as needed) *Boom effect on refueled aircraft (ie moving it around *Option for infinite tanker fuel (so it doesn't rtb after a few refuels) *Create new "hybrid" class of tanker so that KC-135mprs can refuel planes with both drogue and boom Regards Sent from my Xiaomi MI8 Intel i7 8700K @ 5Ghz, Aorus Z370 Gaming5, 32GB Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 3000MHz, Nvidia 3080Ti FE, Samsung 970 NVME, Samsung 512GB EVO SSD x 2, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Saitek Rudder Pedals, HP Reverb G2, Windows 11 x64, DCS Modules = FC3, A10c Warthog, F14 Tomcat, F18 Hornet, F16 Viper, Persian Gulf, Syria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubberduck85 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I find the drogue easier. I can refuel the Hornet no problem, but I just can't manage it in the Viper. The tanker usually ends up going down in a ball of flames after I get frustrated and fire a sidewinder at it. Any suggestions gratefully received.What difficulties are you encountering? Sent from my Xiaomi MI8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee-Jay Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 What difficulties are you encountering? Sent from my Xiaomi MI8 I bet on ... (?) Most ppl are also doing the mistake of focusing on airspeed while they should completely forget about the HUD info ... @ Ivo: My personal advice would be: once you are joined-up with tanker in observation area, forget about the FPM, airspeed ... etc ... simply turn off the HUD and focus on Tanker only. Tanker becomes your only reference. This is the only way to fly a correct close formation. Once you are more comfortable in formation flight ... it will becomes easy. Much more than on F-18 because most of the work is done by the boomer. ;) But it requires practice. There is no magic formula. Bur remember: the biggest mistake it to try to fly an airspeed/altitude while your only reference has to be the Tanker itself, not your own FPM. Greetings. ASUSTeK ROG MAXIMUS X HERO / Intel Core i5-8600K (4.6 GHz) / NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti FE 12GB / 32GB DDR4 Ballistix Elite 3200 MHz / Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB / Be Quiet! Straight Power 11 1000W Platinum / Windows 10 Home 64-bit / HOTAS Cougar FSSB R1 (Warthog grip) / SIMPED / MFD Cougar / ViperGear ICP / SimShaker JetPad / Track IR 5 / Curved LED 27'' Monitor 1080p Samsung C27F396 / HP Reverb G2 VR Headset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubberduck85 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I bet on ... (?) Most ppl are also doing the mistake of focusing on airspeed while they should completely forget about the HUD info ... @ Ivo: My personal advice would be: once you are joined-up with tanker in observation area, forget about the FPM, airspeed ... etc ... simply turn off the HUD and focus on Tanker only. Tanker becomes your only reference. This is the only way to fly a correct close formation. Once you are more comfortable in formation flight ... it will becomes easy. Much more than on F-18 because most of the work is done by the boomer. ;) But it requires practice. There is no magic formula. Bur remember: the biggest mistake it to try to fly an airspeed/altitude while your only reference has to be the Tanker itself, not your own FPM. Greetings.These are great tips! Sent from my Xiaomi MI8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Davidson Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I'm good with flying in formation its when I get near the drogue or under the tanker that I start to porpose up and down badly... I think I'm mostly fighting the spring in my stick.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee-Jay Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) I'm good with flying in formation its when I get near the drogue or under the tanker that I start to porpose up and down badly... I think I'm mostly fighting the spring in my stick.... In that case, try to do it "in continuous" ... Stabilize at a fair distance, then, once ready, build up a closure rate and keep it until contact. It may (depends on you) reduce your tendencies of PIO. (or not ;) ) ... and its is a bit easier to visualize the trajectory ... at least, it worth a try. This how AAR are preformed on C-160 Transall. EDIT: ... mmm ... I think I've missed the fact that you are not maybe speaking bout basket AAR (?) ... Edited December 4, 2019 by Dee-Jay ASUSTeK ROG MAXIMUS X HERO / Intel Core i5-8600K (4.6 GHz) / NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti FE 12GB / 32GB DDR4 Ballistix Elite 3200 MHz / Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB / Be Quiet! Straight Power 11 1000W Platinum / Windows 10 Home 64-bit / HOTAS Cougar FSSB R1 (Warthog grip) / SIMPED / MFD Cougar / ViperGear ICP / SimShaker JetPad / Track IR 5 / Curved LED 27'' Monitor 1080p Samsung C27F396 / HP Reverb G2 VR Headset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drrowley Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 as 'aging' pilot, (falcon1-4), would like to see a 'cheat' to help refueling. if you don't need help, great, some people just don't have the talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discwalker Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 I need the "cheat". Thank you very much. GTX 1070 8GB, 16GB DDR3, W8.1 on SSD, DCS on another SSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smire666 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 For me personally, AAR wih Viper is one of the most intuitive in DCS, thanks to the light bars on the tankers fuselage. Their help is simply perfect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delareon Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Technically its very easy, you are right. But hard to master. Needs training. My main fault is that i begin to overcorrecting. Too much Pitch, steereing against the pitch but again too much and then you start to swing even more. In that case Throttle back, behind the Tanker, stabilize and again.... Takes practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano87 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 If anybody can ride a bike or drive a car they can refuel in DCS, but like those two other activities it just requires practice. I have successfully tanked with the crappiest cheapest joystick ( Saitek Cyborg X) just to prove that it is possible without the gear I have in my VR sim cockpit. It’s not about “talent” it’s about perseverance and overcoming failure. I spent many many many hours learning to tank and I failed a lot, but it’s not meant to be easy. And the fine control and formation skills I learned along the way have helped in all other aspects of my flying, both simulated and IRL. Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitor_Hugo Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 I bought the Gulf map tonight 1st Mi-8 school Bus flight and landing (see pic) Why is this so much easier than AA refueling in a Viper? :cry_2::cry_2::cry_2: Also tried, again, crashed (hope, like I VOR and crash the Mi-8 over and over again at first, one day I'll AAR the Viper smoothly) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethro11 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 I would love a AAR cheat as well. I find it the hardest thing to do in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnadentod Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Shouldn't be implemented if ED wants to keep their dignity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUICE-AWG Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) Hi, developers make please an option for easy in air refueling like in the old Falcon4. bye The Viper is way easier than when I flew FC3's F-15C and like the others said, with the Refueling door open, the FCS is tame and easy as heck... You may want to look at your Curves and Deadzones and make sure you're not "White Knuckling" the stick and should notice improvement with practice. Anything easier would be like placing your aircraft with unlimited fuel or adding 3 bags which is not my style, I like my Vipers with 2 bags only.:joystick: Watch RedKite's video on the Viper AAR. Edited January 24, 2020 by =JUICE= "There are only two types of aircraft, Fighters and Targets." Doyle "Wahoo" Nicholson [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smire666 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 What I am missing a bit, is more realistic boomer section by KC135 (see the picture...). The cover is still closed in game:music_whistling: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faks Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I'm all up into the AAR rework, getting it more shiny and better. For me it is also hard atm.. but if you want a cheat, you can land and refuel on ground. Just mho. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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