MiG-29 DCS level

[FINISTRUS]

Would you like to see the MiG-29 module of the DCS level?:pilotfly:

Edited December 17, 2019 by FINIST(RUS)

[Aluminum Donkey]

Would you like to see the MiG-29 module of the DCS level?:pilotfly:

I'm sure everyone would love the MiG-29, Su-27, and F-15 released as a full-fidelity module.

 

Probably ain't gonna happen. Government and all that :)

 

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[FINISTRUS]

I'm sure everyone would love the MiG-29, Su-27, and F-15 released as a full-fidelity module.

 

Probably ain't gonna happen. Government and all that :)

 

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I think if we express interest, it will bring a positive result.:smilewink:

[DeMonteur]

I think if we express interest, it will bring a positive result.:smilewink:

 

 

 

They already ststed that they cannot produce any Russian made full fidelity module due government until they are located in Russia.

 

 

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[FINISTRUS]

They already ststed that they cannot produce any Russian made full fidelity module due government until they are located in Russia.

 

 

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This does not interfere with the export version. There should not be any problems with this version.

[Harzach]

This does not interfere with the export version. There should not be any problems with this version.

 

The problem isn't with being allowed to sell it, it's with being allowed access to the necessary data to simulate the systems/flight model/etc.

[FINISTRUS]

The problem isn't with being allowed to sell it, it's with being allowed access to the necessary data to simulate the systems/flight model/etc.

However, representatives replied that the MiG is simply not in the plans.

It seems to me it is not a matter of secrecy, but of money.

Representatives cannot answer what documents they have problems with

[DerFangzahn]

However, representatives replied that the MiG is simply not in the plans.

It seems to me it is not a matter of secrecy, but of money.

Representatives cannot answer what documents they have problems with

 

We are talking about military secrets here. So if ED does something which the russian government does not like ED closes its doors faster than you can count to 3.

 

So as long as there is no bulletproof agreement with rus gov ED will keep silent. Easy as that.

[bies]

When it comes to MiG-29 ED can't do that but 3rd party are free to go. I.e. Heatblur could make MiG-29A.

F-15C - i wouldn't be surprised if ED would make it. FM and external model are more or less ready and avionics are very similar to McDonell Hornet without AG but bigger radar.

 

MiG-29 would be great, full fidelity RedFor, huge amount of states using it, big potential market. I had many books about Fulcrum.

Fantastic plane for late cold war or Desert Storm scenarios.

 

Su-27 also, the whole DCS was created as Su-27 simulator - "Su-27 Flanker" 1995.

[FINISTRUS]

We are talking about military secrets here. So if ED does something which the russian government does not like ED closes its doors faster than you can count to 3.

 

So as long as there is no bulletproof agreement with rus gov ED will keep silent. Easy as that.

 

Do you have information confirming this?:)

[Jester986]

ED has said they will not do a full fidelity Russian jet. But that a third party would be welcome to do so.

[kontiuka]

F-15C - i wouldn't be surprised if ED would make it. FM and external model are more or less ready and avionics are very similar to McDonell Hornet without AG but bigger radar.

I'm sure F-15C would sell well but a lack of A/G capability I think would turn some people away.

[bies]

I'm sure F-15C would sell well but a lack of A/G capability I think would turn some people away.

 

Most airplanes in history were specialised fighters, cas, strike, bombers etc., F/A-18 and F-16 are rather exceptions than the rule.

And even expensive mighty air superiority big daddy "not a single pound for air to ground" F-15 had some A/G capability after all using dumb bombs because of pressure from above. Never used this capabilities irl though.

 

MiG-29 and Su-27 had only the most basic A/G capabilities also, does it really mean they are less interesting?

[Ironhand]

I'm sure F-15C would sell well but a lack of A/G capability I think would turn some people away.

 

:) Something will always keep some people from buying.

 

And, yes, I wish some team would pick up the torch and produce a MiG-29 or Su-27.

[Shadow KT]

Chizh has said in the russian forums that they could make a MiG-29 if they wanted, but there are just more feasible module to create

[FINISTRUS]

Chizh has said in the russian forums that they could make a MiG-29 if they wanted, but there are just more feasible module to create

 

I think the problem is money. It would be great if not ED so other developers will make MiG:vertag:

[Jester2138]

I'm sure F-15C would sell well but a lack of A/G capability I think would turn some people away.

 

That's exactly why I would buy it... Not a Pound for Air to Ground

[Kev2go]

When it comes to MiG-29 ED can't do that but 3rd party are free to go. I.e. Heatblur could make MiG-29A.

F-15C - i wouldn't be surprised if ED would make it. FM and external model are more or less ready and avionics are very similar to McDonell Hornet without AG but bigger radar.

 

MiG-29 would be great, full fidelity RedFor, huge amount of states using it, big potential market. I had many books about Fulcrum.

Fantastic plane for late cold war or Desert Storm scenarios.

 

Su-27 also, the whole DCS was created as Su-27 simulator - "Su-27 Flanker" 1995.

 

Actually that is one feature missing from an Air superiority eagle . The manual makes references and various other documentation not directly related to aircraft operation directly cites AN/APG63 A/G radar modes such as :

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"Air to ground ranging, pulse ground mapping" and post APG63's PSP upgrade included "Doppler beam sharpening ground mapping" which also has GMT ( ground moving target) mode.

 

Im hoping that even if full fidelity F15C doesn't happen FC3 would then at least get an update to include A/G functionality when ED finally works out their A/G technology needed for the Hornet and other aircraft like the Viper.

Edited December 18, 2019 by Kev2go

[Kev2go]

I'm sure F-15C would sell well but a lack of A/G capability I think would turn some people away.

 

Not unless ED include it ;)

 

 

After all the capbilty to utilize A/G was alwasy there, just laying dormant..... at least only in USAF operated eagles. Isreali operated eagles on the other hand used the F15 to its fullest capabilities on a few occasions

 

If you can find i suggest a lookie on some F15A/C manuals. CCIP/ CCRIP bombing modes operation is documented. MK80 series bomb family compatible, and even electro optical GBu8 bomb is an option. APG63 even has some A/G functionality which includes A/G ranging, Pulse mapping, and post PSP upgrade includes improved Doppler beam sharpening mode for better ( or rather finally meaningfull) map resolution as well as GMTI modes to detect ground moving vehicles.

Edited December 18, 2019 by Kev2go

[FINISTRUS]

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3676975&postcount=93

what would you understand about the situation

[lester]

And this is the reply from Chizh:

ED company did make request to the Sukhoi Design Bureau

he also added that:

No details will be provided

[Kev2go]

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3676975&postcount=93

what would you understand about the situation

 

Interesting thanks for sharing. I had not seen this one before

[Jonne]

Now thats some very contrary information to what we had until now. In what context was that post made?

[FINISTRUS]

В текущей концепции легкого модуля уровня ГС он самодостаточен.

На создание тяжелого модуля со всеми системами решения пока нет.

About MiG-29

[tugais]

Now thats some very contrary information to what we had until now. In what context was that post made?

 

It occurred to me that the Russian section of this forum is much more informative than what we have on the english speaking section. Not the first time I see this kind of discrepancy between the english and russian forums. I'd love that Eagle Dynamics would hire or task someone fluent in english and russian to bring over the informations provided to the Russian community.