MiG-29 DCS level

[FoxAlfa]

I suspect that one of the main challenges for making the Full Fidelity Eagle and Fulcrum are actually making both Full Fidelity and FC3 version co-habit in the DCS ecosystem, and hopefully with MAC those issues will be resolved and ground work put in place they will be announced.

[AeriaGloria]

Very true. I think it’s already done for MiG-21 or atleast was mentioned by the developer a year ago. MAC should open up a lot of doors

[TOYKILLA]

Its Time for Russian DCS Fighter Modules like the Mig29 or SU27, to Fight against the F-16C and F/A-18C. A FC3 Systemupgrade for Both, would be the easiest and fastest way to Create them.

 

#Justdreaming

 

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[Jonne]

It occurred to me that the Russian section of this forum is much more informative than what we have on the english speaking section. Not the first time I see this kind of discrepancy between the english and russian forums. I'd love that Eagle Dynamics would hire or task someone fluent in english and russian to bring over the informations provided to the Russian community.

 

I think I have to work on my Russian again :smilewink:

[TOYKILLA]

I also only understand Vodka, but it would be great, if anyone can translate the important updates for us.

 

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[Eldur]

I suspect that one of the main challenges for making the Full Fidelity Eagle and Fulcrum are actually making both Full Fidelity and FC3 version co-habit in the DCS ecosystem, and hopefully with MAC those issues will be resolved and ground work put in place they will be announced.

 

Easy. That's what MAC will be there for. A full-fi module would just replace the FC3 one in DCS.

 

I'd so much love to see a clickable MiG-29 in DCS... or a Flanker (could probably also be done by Deka, in form of the J-11). But I look forward to the MiG-23MLA more than that

[Kev2go]

Easy. That's what MAC will be there for. A full-fi module would just replace the FC3 one in DCS.

 

I'd so much love to see a clickable MiG-29 in DCS... or a Flanker (could probably also be done by Deka, in form of the J-11). But I look forward to the MiG-23MLA more than that

 

What about for those who already own FC3. Surely you cant just expect ED to delete aircraft from the DCS environment that people have already bought an paid for or would want to continue to fly in.

 

IMO FC3 and DCS should still be compatible without one another than being entirely separate.

 

And yea the Mig23MLA will be intresting to fly, will be even better when it has an F4E and perhaps a Mirage F1 to tango with ;)

Edited December 18, 2019 by Kev2go

[MrAMRAAM]

Do you have information confirming this?:)

Fighter Pilot Podcast I think spoke about it, along with maybe the Alert 5 Podcast (not sure).

Wags said if a 3rd Party wanted to, they could.

[Eldur]

What about for those who already own FC3. Surely you cant just expect ED to delete aircraft from the DCS environment that people have already bought an paid for or would want to continue to fly in.

 

IMO FC3 and DCS should still be compatible without one another than being entirely separate.

 

IMHO they should be updated with the new features. So when a module comes out that has to be bought, FC3 owners or owners of that specific FC3 plane should get a reasonable discount then. Of course this would still leave the problem with people not wanting to upgrade at first getting their plane taken away from them, but in the long term it would be wise to upgrade all of them to DCS level in regards of the systems. MAC will then continue the FC line, which is already planned even for some full modules that will be stripped down to FC3 grade, like the F-5 or MiG-21.

[lester]

Fighter Pilot Podcast I think spoke about it, along with maybe the Alert 5 Podcast (not sure).

Wags said if a 3rd Party wanted to, they could.

 

I personally posted it on russian part of the forum several times along with the direct link to the podcast. But a lot of users don't believe either Matt or Chizh and some think ED is biased towards western aircrafts, do it because of money/politics etc (I noticed some of you want to refresh your russian - you can check corresponding thread by yourself).

Edited December 19, 2019 by lester

[FINISTRUS]

Everyone can say whatever they want, but ED cannot argue what they say to us. At first they say one thing, then they call other reasons, and they refuse to tell in more detail. What will change after ED changes the location? Initially, they made the Su-27, MiG-29, and now these planes have become secret in order to make an animated cockpit and modify some systems ... ED said that they create modules for accessible documents, and that they do not come up with what is inaccessible themselves.

[twistking]

[...]I'd so much love to see a clickable MiG-29 in DCS... or a Flanker (could probably also be done by Deka, in form of the J-11).[...]

Flanker looks nice, but it has fly-by-wire (boring!!!!). Mig-29 and Mig-23 are much more interesting planes to fly and to fight in!

[Evoman]

We really need a good write up from somebody knowledgeable of why certain Russian and newer aircraft are not feasible at this time. Because these types of questions will always keep coming up from new people. Its impossible to keep explaining to them all the various details that are scattered all over the place.

 

However I will share with you all a new post about the announcement of the development of the OH-58D Kiowa. Other than the mention of the Kiowa it goes into some interesting details of what it takes for a 3rd party developer to even get the necessary permissions to get the green light from ED to develop a new module for DCS. https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/2019-11-29_Kiowa_Announced/

[lester]

However I will share with you all a new post about the announcement of the development of the OH-58D Kiowa. Other than the mention of the Kiowa it goes into some interesting details of what it takes for a 3rd party developer to even get the necessary permissions to get the green light from ED to develop a new module for DCS. https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/2019-11-29_Kiowa_Announced/

 

This was also mentioned in the same thread on russian part of the forum

[Fri13]

They already ststed that they cannot produce any Russian made full fidelity module due government until they are located in Russia.

 

Wasn't it opposite, as long ED is a Russian company, they cant do it, but third party company could....

[Weta43]

Yes, only if they were outside Russia

[Kev2go]

Yes, only if they were outside Russia

 

whats what they said, but if you read that comment, its quite contradictory to the official statement.

 

it would seem it would still be possible for a Russian company to at least do a cold war vintage type Gen 4 like Mig29A, or Su27S in spite what ED said.

Edited December 20, 2019 by Kev2go

[Harlikwin]

So mostly the take away is there is no prohibition from goverment specifically, but enough doc wise might be hard to get due to being classified or too old and therefore lost. So if some 3rd party wants to do it more power to them, but it isnt worth it for ED to bother when there are easier modules to make.

[Kev2go]

So mostly the take away is there is no prohibition from government specifically, but enough doc wise might be hard to get due to being classified or too old and therefore lost. So if some 3rd party wants to do it more power to them, but it isn't worth it for ED to bother when there are easier modules to make.

 

Or the profit angle that a Teen fighter with a "glass cockpit" and other bells and whistles could sell better.

[rrohde]

Or the profit angle that a Teen fighter with a "glass cockpit" and other bells and whistles could sell better.

 

My compromise would then be to settle on the MiG-35. ;)

 

[Kev2go]

My compromise would then be to settle on the MiG-35. ;)

 

 

 

Yea would be nice wouldn't it? But its about as likely to happen as an F/A18F block 3

Edited December 20, 2019 by Kev2go

[twistking]

Or the profit angle that a Teen fighter with a "glass cockpit" and other bells and whistles could sell better.

I think that this was the dominant reasons until now and if i'm not mistaken Chizh recently posted something along the lines in the russian forums.

 

I honestly hope that with f-16 and f-18 available for purchase, the profit angle changes a bit, as modern blufor has probably reached some degree of saturation. Sure, someone's favorite plane will always be missing (mudhen, superbug...), but in the end they are all so similar in handling and capabilities, that they will be less and less attractive for everyone but the hardcore-fans of that particular airframe.

 

I hope we'll see some more pilot's aircrafts in the future (Mig-29, Mig-23, Mig-25, Thunderchief, A-7 Corsair II etc.)!

[Evoman]

I think that this was the dominant reasons until now and if i'm not mistaken Chizh recently posted something along the lines in the russian forums.

 

I honestly hope that with f-16 and f-18 available for purchase, the profit angle changes a bit, as modern blufor has probably reached some degree of saturation. Sure, someone's favorite plane will always be missing (mudhen, superbug...), but in the end they are all so similar in handling and capabilities, that they will be less and less attractive for everyone but the hardcore-fans of that particular airframe.

 

I hope we'll see some more pilot's aircrafts in the future (Mig-29, Mig-23, Mig-25, Thunderchief, A-7 Corsair II etc.)!

 

 

Just about any American aircraft from the Vietnam era would sell well just because of the history and ties many Americans still have with them.

[Weta43]

This is a broad generalisation that I recognise isn't true in all cases, but it seems from many posts on the forum that E.D. think American's have the money, and are patriotic, and they want to buy the most recent US aircraft available and reinforce its superiority - preferably by shooting fish in a barrel.

 

Forget serving up a balanced fight, just provide a mechanism for domination.

(Like my boy when he was 8 wanted the Transam with the bazooka cheat to blow up the Romans in Age of Empires)

 

I've read posts by Chizh that make me think he thinks Western (US) audiences are 1/ not particularly interested in Russian aircraft, and that 2/ Russian aircraft aren't up to scratch anyway - so wouldn't provide the kind of experience the audience are after.

 

If E.D. don't think they have an audience, and think that if they modelled them correctly they'd be a bit sh*t compared to Western aircraft, why would they work hard to get access to the docs & the OK to model them ?

 

If that's the case then it's a self fulfilling prophesy - only make modern Western aircraft, then point at how much they out sell the Russian FC3 aircraft...

[FINISTRUS]

This is a broad generalisation that I recognise isn't true in all cases, but it seems from many posts on the forum that E.D. think American's have the money, and are patriotic, and they want to buy the most recent US aircraft available and reinforce its superiority - preferably by shooting fish in a barrel.

 

Forget serving up a balanced fight, just provide a mechanism for domination.

(Like my boy when he was 8 wanted the Transam with the bazooka cheat to blow up the Romans in Age of Empires)

 

I've read posts by Chizh that make me think he thinks Western (US) audiences are 1/ not particularly interested in Russian aircraft, and that 2/ Russian aircraft aren't up to scratch anyway - so wouldn't provide the kind of experience the audience are after.

 

If E.D. don't think they have an audience, and think that if they modelled them correctly they'd be a bit sh*t compared to Western aircraft, why would they work hard to get access to the docs & the OK to model them ?

 

If that's the case then it's a self fulfilling prophesy - only make modern Western aircraft, then point at how much they out sell the Russian FC3 aircraft...

I watched for a long time how the Mi-8 could be brought down from the machine, while the UH-1 withstood air defense attacks