[FIXED] HUD: A picture is worth a thousand words?

[BigDuke6ixx]

I fly in VR and I can see the whole HUD.

 

Same here. If you want a realistic view then get VR. 2D is dead for true simulation fans.

[Emmy]

Same here. If you want a realistic view then get VR. 2D is dead for true simulation fans.

 

 

Wow, Just Wow...:music_whistling:

[NineLine]

Same here. If you want a realistic view then get VR. 2D is dead for true simulation fans.

 

That is not true what so ever. I know Wags has been discussing with some of the A-10 pilots now using DCS on base. I will see if I can get some more feedback, thanks.

 

Edit: From Wags: The 2D view is as it should be according to the A-10C pilots. It is normal to have to move your head to the side to view the HUD data. We do though plan to move the default eye position slightly up.

Edited March 20, 2020 by NineLine

[Shadow KT]

That is not true what so ever. I know Wags has been discussing with some of the A-10 pilots now using DCS on base. I will see if I can get some more feedback, thanks.

 

Edit: From Wags: The 2D view is as it should be according to the A-10C pilots. It is normal to have to move your head to the side to view the HUD data. We do though plan to move the default eye position slightly up.

 

The current issue as I see it (for 2D) is not side to side, but top to bottom.... you either can't see the top end of the hud or the bottom (by adjusting seat height)... If I wanna see the the top of the hud from the default position I have to bend my neck and lean downwards.

 

You would get the same effect in the past if you would try to adjust your default position (to the correct one like it is right now), the hud would just scale out of the view....

 

The same feels like right now, as if the view position got adjusted, but not the hud.

 

8BexFKs87i0

Edited March 21, 2020 by Shadow KT

[eaglecash867]

The current issue as I see it (for 2D) is not side to side, but top to bottom.... you either can't see the top end of the hud or the bottom (by adjusting seat height)... If I wanna see the the top of the hud from the default position I have to bend my neck and lean downwards.

 

You would get the same effect in the past if you would try to adjust your default position (to the correct one like it is right now), the hud would just scale out of the view....

 

The same feels like right now, as if the view position got adjusted, but not the hud.

 

 

VR has the same up-down issue, but that's caused by the default viewing position being just a little bit too far to the rear. Are you able to get the whole thing in view in 2D by adjusting your longitudinal position in the cockpit?

[NineLine]

The current issue as I see it (for 2D) is not side to side, but top to bottom.... you either can't see the top end of the hud or the bottom (by adjusting seat height)... If I wanna see the the top of the hud from the default position I have to bend my neck and lean downwards.

 

You would get the same effect in the past if you would try to adjust your default position (to the correct one like it is right now), the hud would just scale out of the view....

 

The same feels like right now, as if the view position got adjusted, but not the hud.

 

8BexFKs87i0

 

Thanks for the video, I have only been doing a drive-by on this issue and passing info, I was able to reproduce what you were showing and will add that to the report. Thanks.

[Shadow KT]

Thank you, I am sure you can find plenty of reliable information in this thread, for reference.

I am sure we as the community just want the best for the module (in terms of realism) and there is some valuable, real life experience shared here and I hope it can be translated into the SIM

[Babok]

i bought a10c few days ago on sale and i have to say i am very disappointed with the hud right now, cant barely see anything without doing head and body gymnastics, even with adjusting cockpit seat.

Edited March 21, 2020 by Babok

[lobo]

I use VR, so it really isn't something I've ever used (if it is currently implemented as it seems you have suggested). View is perfect for me, in any of the 3 air frames that I fly. Good tool for those who don't use VR I'd say, or those who do and aren't able to get the initial view setup properly.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Don

 

Yes. I use VR only and Up, down, fore and aft to get proper set position. :thumbup:

[BigDuke6ixx]

i bought a10c few days ago on sale and i have to say i am very disappointed with the hud right now, cant barely see anything without doing head and body gymnastics, even with adjusting cockpit seat.

 

It's fine in the beta.

[Puma]

can anyone imagine a real pilot whining this much about a piece of equipment? IRL its a piece of glass with blurry text superimposed attempting to show the results of a computer’s estimation of aircraft and weapon trajectories. Its not a direct feed to your optic nerve that solves the universes mysteries. Its a tool; its imperfect in real life and in sim.

 

Was a previous version aligned in a way that made it seem better than it is irl? Yes probably. Is it possible to learn to use the tool in its present state to complete missions? Yes.

 

You have to adjust tens maybe hundreds of controls to cold start an A-10. Why is adjusting head position such an offensive step to so many?

 

I am thrilled they are investing any effort in the A-10 and afraid that if we “demand” that the effort is rolled back it will be easier for ED to do nothing than to keep it updated.

 

Move your head position so you can see what you need. Buy a trackir for better simulation and its barely noticeable.

 

My preflight checklist: once iffcc test mode is up, I lower the seat height just a bit until I can see the bist message. Then hold my had as far from the screen as I can, zero trackir and when I return to natural head position I can see enough to perform. I re zero trackir a couple times on longer flights.

[eaglecash867]

can anyone imagine a real pilot whining this much about a piece of equipment?

 

I don't have to imagine it, I get to see it almost every day at work. :smilewink:

[Puma]

I don't have to imagine it, I get to see it almost every day at work. :smilewink:

Wa ha ha . Okay... maybe “imagine a real pilot... with a real mission”? “A lifesaving missing”?

 

I don’t mean to offend anyone. I remember the fighter pilot podcast episode with the F-14 pilot as they talked about the s$*# they dealt with, resorting to bic pen lids to modify switches, electrical tape to alter nvis lighting, etc. They got it done and I took that to heart with my approach to simming. This would be easy if everything worked and everything went right. It gets fun when you need to improvise, and find creative solutions to any challenge.

[Emmy]

But we’re currently flying brand new A-10Cs so there shouldn’t be any “squawks”

[eaglecash867]

But we’re currently flying brand new A-10Cs so there shouldn’t be any “squawks”

 

Heh. Its often the factory fresh aircraft that are the worst. They make me wonder "How in the hell did this thing get certified?" :D

[eaglecash867]

Wa ha ha . Okay... maybe “imagine a real pilot... with a real mission”? “A lifesaving missing”?

 

 

No offense taken here. Just adding that for the purposes of bringing a little levity to the thread. For aircraft with real, lifesaving missions, I've seen two extremes there. We have air medical flight crews that squawk everything, and then we have the ones that just "live with" things (sometimes really important systems) and we end up finding them on inspections. When we mention it to the flight crew, one of them always says, "Oh...yeah...its been doing that for as long as I remember." :lol:

[BigDuke6ixx]

It's not.

 

Sorry, on my correctly setup system, running the beta, it's fine. As in real life, I have to move my head a small amount to see some of it. So what I'm getting is realistic. Too realistic for crybabies though.

[BigDuke6ixx]

So you got experience on the real thing? Tell me then, how about the CR modes?

 

It's been report by real hog pilots that they can't see the whole of the HUD and they have to move their heads a bit. Maybe that news hasn't reach you sausage side until now.

[=Panther=]

That is not true what so ever. I know Wags has been discussing with some of the A-10 pilots now using DCS on base. I will see if I can get some more feedback, thanks.

 

Edit: From Wags: The 2D view is as it should be according to the A-10C pilots. It is normal to have to move your head to the side to view the HUD data. We do though plan to move the default eye position slightly up.

 

They must be flying some time of prototype A-10C that the rest of the USAF doesn't know about, or maybe they aren't pilots at all. Our pilots, who are not rookies by any means do not need to move their head to read the data on the HUD.

[NineLine]

I've passed along your concerns. Thanks.

[NineLine]

Thank you, I am sure you can find plenty of reliable information in this thread, for reference.

I am sure we as the community just want the best for the module (in terms of realism) and there is some valuable, real life experience shared here and I hope it can be translated into the SIM

 

No worries, we all want the same thing. We will see how it looks after the next adjustment is made.

[Watari]

i´m since 1 month into vr and i have absolut no issues anymore with the new pit and hud.

seat position and hud size works perfect and very clear.

seams like the new textures are more vr optimized

[BigDuke6ixx]

i´m since 1 month into vr and i have absolut no issues anymore with the new pit and hud.

seat position and hud size works perfect and very clear.

seams like the new textures are more vr optimized

 

Exactly, it’s fine.

[Snoopy]

Says people who have never stepped one foot into the cockpit of an A-10 in their life.

[NineLine]

Says people who have never stepped one foot into the cockpit of an A-10 in their life.

 

He was speaking of VR view I believe which most people seem happy with, there is still an issue with 2D as stated above and we will be making an adjustment.

 

Please share helpful info, and not bicker with each other.