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Gotta spend those tax dollars on something, and they won't spend them on healthcare, so... Missile Trucks.

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The F-15X can carry like 12 AMRAAMs, and there’s a drone that being developed to offload the missals to a missal truck. Thing is the PK isn’t 90% but the missal fires at near RMAX makes that target react. And your reacting too. So more is better, and you’ll likely be down to just a few if ever your in a merg. But IRL air forces do not want to “dog fight”. Hell even in WWII we tried not to “dogfight”. It’s something you do because you have to. But you want to murder your opponent with minim risk to yourself. So lots of Fox III and run. Spamming the air with a tone of Fox III and turning cold the moment things look dicy is a pretty good way to get air superiority, if you can afford to do it. So that’s probably why. Can it always be done, no. Think escorting a strike package against a time sensitive target. But if you can you will. Dose this make for the best online play, no. I personally this that the Gen I and II jets would make for the best play experience, culminating in Vietnam. But even in Vietnam SPAM and run was a real tactic, and if the NVA pilots had been a little better at it, and the missals had a little better seekers, our losses would have been a lot worse. So to wrap up or missals are really good these days, and our SA is pretty amazing. So it’s being developed precisely so we can SPAM and run if we need to, and can get away with it. I could write an easy, complete with citations, but I think My soap box needs a brake.

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Who'd need so many amraams? They're bunch of crap anyways. I'd prefer AIM9s ftw. Not to mention some 20mms :D

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Ah you need one of these, unfortunately it only does 350 knots and can only climb to 10000ft.

 

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Ah you need one of these, unfortunately it only does 350 knots and can only climb to 10000ft.

 

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They can approach that if they're deployed correctly i.e. launched closer to RNE than RMax. That however requires (a) patience and (b) tactics.

 

That fancy YT video? Means squat unless it's been flight-tested. Sure it looks cool but the drag ratio will cripple performance... I'm guessing that's a CATIII loadout? Plus it's not an F-16C Block 50 so wtf do we even care?

 

Yes, I do used to get 90% hit in DCS when playing against AI or noobies. If you are playing against matching platform/player, then I usually fire ahead make him defensive. We make defensive turns drop altitude and fire more. I usually get 1 kill like for say 3-4 120cs. Maybe I am not an expert like you all. In real life, I think that it will be even difficult to archive considering modern EW suits and the reliability of weapons.

 

That fancy video is produced by Lockheed martin aimed for the foreign markets evaluated by an expert. May be DCS pilots are more expert than them? :D. I don't think they will make video of something that does not make any sense. F18 can carry 10 amraams, is Drag not a problem there? I don't have F18, but with 10 120c's is it CAT |||?

 

 

Drag is often more the issue than weight. Drag makes you bleed energy more and reduces performance, and with multi-missile launchers when you fire the missiles you are left with the launcher. A heavy multiple missile load out may be useful in limited scenarios (shooting down waves of bombers) but that is a rare event.

 

The concept of a heavy missile armed fighter was tried by the USN on a couple of occasions (Douglas F6D and F-111B) and neither idea progressed to an operational fighter.

 

Nice, I understand drag increases with more missiles, But just want to know why 6 missiles drag is the limit, adding 2 more make more punishment?

 

Also i would like to see any videos docs regarding F6Ds, or F111B, please share if you can.

 

A lot of modern fighters new 4th gen targeting to carry more missiles. like F21, F18, F15, why would manufacturers try to attempt anything like that if it is such a useless feature.

 

I dont know how to break it to you, but the aircraft in that video is CGI? Its *not* a real aircraft and may never be.

 

Its an advert, obviously demonstrating various options. So yeah, maybe a triple-rack will maybe one day be available for an aircraft that is *not* an F16C. But you might also notice that even the CGI not-F16C is only packing 8 AMRAAMs, only one extra pair.

 

Oh that is CGI, ah i thought it was real :D:D:D

 

Everyone knows F16C in real life did not seems to carry dual rack pylons, the question is why not.

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Do any of the SCLs for the Viper show it with more than 2 AMRAAMs?

Are there any photos of operational (rather than demonstration) sorties with more than 4 AMRAAMs?

 

Yes. PACAFI21-202 9 MAY 2003 lists several.

 

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/why-russia-china-still-fear-the-f-16-fighting-falcon-21976

 

https://techsob.com/lockheed-martin-f-16-fighting-falcon/

 

Although photos seem to indicate a 3/1 load is more common.

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F18 can carry 10 amraams, is Drag not a problem there? I don't have F18, but with 10 120c's is it CAT |||?

 

Everyone knows F16C in real life did not seems to carry dual rack pylons, the question is why not.

 

F-18 with 10 120s flies like a brick, and is horribly draggy.

 

F-16C doesn't carry dual rack pylons for 120s because its not air superiority fighter, Its usually going in doing SEAD or Strike and is carrying 2,3 120s purely for self defence rather then anything else.

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For these reasons I seriously wish that ED would implement a fee for a multiplayer in DCS. Every aircraft costs nominal 5€ fee. And a virtual pilot life costs 10€.

 

Now, if you damage or destroy your aircraft, you need to pay 5€ to get a new license to fly.

If your virtual life is lost (your virtual pilot dies) then you need to pay 10€ license to get back to online.

 

Now, lets see how many still wants those 6 missiles or more for air quake....

 

 

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What?

 

It can do it. But compared to something like an F-22 or even a F-15C its not its primary role. It's a multirole aircraft.

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It can do it. But compared to something like an F-22 or even a F-15C its not its primary role. It's a multirole aircraft.

 

Of course it can do it. It was designed with real furballs in mind. F-16 got an added workload through the many years because it is awesomely capable of just about anything....but the Falcon won the contract for the lightweight fighter program.

 

Nowadays there's plenty of aircraft that'll swat it left and right WVR...

 

Just defending its "Air Superiority" status is all. I don't think anyone could see a Fighting Falcon drop stores and tanks and turn hot without puckering up at least a little bit.

 

Dunno about the F-15c claim though...who's the better pilot?

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Just defending its "Air Superiority" status is all. I don't think anyone could see a Fighting Falcon drop stores and tanks and turn hot without puckering up at least a little bit.

 

Dunno about the F-15c claim though...who's the better pilot?

 

You don't need to defend anything. I wasn't throwing shade at the F-16s ability to knife fight... I'm just saying you aren't going to see it cruising around with 10 Spamrams like OP wants.

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F-16C doesn't carry dual rack pylons for 120s because its not air superiority fighter, Its usually going in doing SEAD or Strike and is carrying 2,3 120s purely for self defence rather then anything else.

That might be true for the USA, but other smaller countries do use the Viper as their air superiority fighter.

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Nice, I understand drag increases with more missiles, But just want to know why 6 missiles drag is the limit, adding 2 more make more punishment?

 

Also i would like to see any videos docs regarding F6Ds, or F111B, please share if you can.

 

A lot of modern fighters new 4th gen targeting to carry more missiles. like F21, F18, F15, why would manufacturers try to attempt anything like that if it is such a useless feature.

 

It is not so muchb the missle alone but also the launcher, which would be required if the Viper was to carry more. The F-16 was designed as a lightweight fighter, and in original design had no BVR capacity, this was added later (some air defence and foreign variants do carry the AIM-7). When it was designed the USAF already had a very effective (arguably worlds best) air superiority platform in the Eagle, the Viper was the cheaper complement to the Viper.

 

The F-15C is a bigger aircraft designed to fulfill the air superiority role only (not a pound for air to ground), the F-21 is an export model that may never be and the F-18 operates in a very different envirnoment than the Viper (carrier, where it could conceivably be the only air superiority asset in theatre). It's not necessarily useless, but it doesn't support the concept of the F-16. If your fighter depends on being fast and agile, making it slow and draggy is not going to be a winning idea.

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That might be true for the USA, but other smaller countries do use the Viper as their air superiority fighter.

 

True! But we are modelling a US Viper are we not :thumbup:

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True! But we are modelling a US Viper are we not :thumbup:

In DCS we are indeed, but I thought we're talking about the Viper in general here :)

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It is not so muchb the missle alone but also the launcher, which If your fighter depends on being fast and agile, making it slow and draggy is not going to be a winning idea.

 

This is a game and the rules are different :smilewink:

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6 AIM-120 is good enough for 2 engagement in my fighting sytle.

 

for a light fighter, it's more than enough.

 

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On 1/8/2020 at 11:20 AM, nthere said:

Now Viper only can have 6 120c,it is not enought

 

On 1/8/2020 at 5:09 PM, BrokenArrow said:

Yes, F-16 is more than capable of carrying double racks, some of those single pylons f16 carry 2000lb bombs, so it is not a performance issue. Some of the future versions of the F16 does have that.

 

On 1/8/2020 at 5:25 PM, BrokenArrow said:

More missiles always have advantages and AAMs are not 2000lb in weight. Unlike what everyone says missiles does not have 90% hit ratio in practical situations. It is always good to have a sensible amount of missiles in hand.

Guys you can fly those experimental F-14,F-15,F16 planes on IC protected "Exercise Red Flag Server"  no mods needed. When you occupy slot you will have those missiles already on your pylons. If there was one plane flying with those we will add it. We trying to have fun there There are upgrades done to all planes we can do within IC compliance. Exercise Red Flag is all about fictional matchups between latest versions of jets that are possible to represent in DCS. All sides are upgraded to  their latest variants that did or did not entered active service. F-16 has additional 2 missiles and can carry 8 total. Eagles are carriing 2 Aim-9X missiles and has 4 more Aim-120C missiles. And Tomcat has 2 slammers like those from VX-4 Evaluators squadron. Red force is Agerssors flying latest Chinese versions of soviet Flankers and modern Russian versions of Fulcrum. Flankers representing their Chinese variants are armed with Chinese missiles. Fulcrum can carry up to 4 heat seeking R27-ET  missiles like Mig-29M it is representing. Fog of war is enabled on the server to provide Eagles and Fulcrums with situational awareness.   It is Evaluators vs Agressors simulation where both sides can test capabilities of those airframes latest variants. Server missions plots  are fictional in their nature just like those that are taking place in real life at Nellis AB. Where they have Eagles and VIpers pretend to be Flankers and Fulcrums.  Those that would like to have that kind of gameplay and test this stuff out are welcome. Those that are all about "realistic" gameplay - you guys have 99% of MP servers that will give you just that. 

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