Oceandar Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 JF-17 radar is ridiculously good. You cant notch it. Once it locks you up there's no way you can break it unless you hide behind hill or something. I don't know about the real thing. Probably realistic or probably not. Mastering others is strength. Mastering yourself is true power. - Lao Tze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinkerbuck Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I see some people here are of the opinion the M2000 has a better radar than the F15C? In my experience the F15 can detect more targets quicker and of course it has an actual TWS instead of the "fake" TWS the mirage has which can't actually track more than one target, just acts as an STT without notifying target of lock. I also don't think the workload on the F15C radar is that light considering you have 3 frequency modes just like the Mirage and you actually have to switch between TWS and RWS vs in the mirage it handles both on the same screen by just making you press lock twice for STT and only once for TWS. Effectively its always in a RWS/TWS hybrid mode, so its actually easier to use in some ways than the F15 radar. I find that the F15 can see targets further away though, and also it has magical IFF built in which is nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzger Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Why would you need a longer range in the Hornet (or f-16 in that sense) radar at all ? You rely on the DL/AWACS to build SA, the radar you need when it is time to track and shoot, which with AIM-120 is hardly longer than 30 miles even against bombers(at least in dcs). It's much more important to be able to lock and keep the target locked reliably during the engagement without the need of a dedicated radar operator rather than detect it from 80 miles (while it is shown in the DL anyway) and then loose lock just when you have to fox because RIO failed to switch the radar mode, it was notched or any other reason [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wu70 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Interesting thread, looks like F18 is the best from your posts but I have both F18 and F16 and from my experience F16 is much better :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) JF-17 radar is ridiculously good. You cant notch it. Once it locks you up there's no way you can break it unless you hide behind hill or something. I don't know about the real thing. Probably realistic or probably not. OTOH, it doesn't pick targets up very well, and takes forever to scan, and the dogfight mode is mostly useless. But yes once you are locked it tends to keep it, though I've defiantly seen people break the locks. Edited February 14, 2020 by Harlikwin New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 JF-17 radar is ridiculously good. You cant notch it. Once it locks you up there's no way you can break it unless you hide behind hill or something. I don't know about the real thing. Probably realistic or probably not. A lot of people trying to notch at 500-600kts. Slow down to some reasonable combat speed (400ish) and you'll get it. More speed means less margin, and the only reason people are used to easy notching is that the FC3 radars let you notch...easily. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye_UK Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 F18C has the best Radar. Not sure why people think the F14 is better. The F18c also has multitrack and launch. Anyone that thinks this has never been a rio in the 14 - clearly you have no idea what your talking about - no offence meant however take time to learn the back seat of the 14 the radar and its abilities in game out strips anything else in terms of its ability to track and find targets. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DCS & BMS F14B | AV-8B | F15E | F18C | F16C | F5 | F86 | A10C | JF17 | Viggen |Mirage 2000 | F1 | L-39 | C101 | Mig15 | Mig21 | Mig29 | SU27 | SU33 | F15C | AH64 | MI8 | Mi24 | Huey | KA50 | Gazelle | P47 | P51 | BF109 | FW190A/D | Spitfire | Mossie | CA | Persian Gulf | Nevada | Normandy | Channel | Syria | South Atlantic | Sinai Liquid Cooled ROG 690 13700K @ 5.9Ghz | RTX3090 FTW Ultra | 64GB DDR4 3600 MHz | 2x2TB SSD m2 Samsung 980/990 | Pimax Crystal/Reverb G2 | MFG Crosswinds | Virpil T50/CM3 | Winwing & Cougar MFD's | Buddyfox UFC | Winwing TOP & CP | Jetseat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Striker Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Hi all, Most replies here point to the Hornet or the Tomcat to have the most capable radar ingame. I‘m a noob, but it made me think, why do recent mods make use of the Eagle radar in their mod? Eg. Gripen, VSN F35, etc. Their intention is to provide a more modern aircraft with better avionics, or? Why do they choose to go with an inferior radar? //Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Ted Striker said: why do recent mods make use of the Eagle radar in their mod? Eg. Gripen, VSN F35, etc. Most probably they only figured out how (or it's easiest) to modify FC3 bird (namely F-15C). Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Striker Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Not really. The radar is just defined in the aircraft’s lua file. You can for example refer to the AN/APG-63 for the F-15 radar, or the AN/APG-73 for the Hornet‘s. So it‘s not more complicated to use the Hornet‘s, and if this really more capable ingame it would make much sense. So, why do they go for the F-15? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, Ted Striker said: So it‘s not more complicated to use the Hornet‘s Since you know better, why not go ask the modder? Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Striker Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 I first wanted to collect some opinions. Due to the fact that I have no idea how to judge the capability of a radar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Ted Striker said: I have no idea how to judge the capability of a radar You test. Make a mission and test against AI aircraft, see how far your radar can find them, test coalt or higher, then look down, test hot target, then flanking and cold, make them fly circles below you to test vs notching, stuff like that. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exorcet Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 12 hours ago, Ted Striker said: Hi all, Most replies here point to the Hornet or the Tomcat to have the most capable radar ingame. I‘m a noob, but it made me think, why do recent mods make use of the Eagle radar in their mod? Eg. Gripen, VSN F35, etc. Their intention is to provide a more modern aircraft with better avionics, or? Why do they choose to go with an inferior radar? //Ted This thread is two years old. Two years ago the F-15's radar was half as powerful as it should be. A few months ago it was fixed. Currently the F-15 has the best radar available. The F-18 has slipped down a few slots and the F-16 while capable, has among the shortest radar range. The F-14 both suffers and benefits from being older and having its own operator. 1 Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike_Romeo Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 On 1/11/2023 at 1:46 PM, Ted Striker said: why do recent mods make use of the Eagle radar in their mod? Because its much easier to implement a low fidelity radar than a high fidelity one into a mod On 1/11/2023 at 1:46 PM, Ted Striker said: Why do they choose to go with an inferior radar? Lol what ? My skins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Striker Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 vor 2 Stunden schrieb Mike_Romeo: Because its much easier to implement a low fidelity radar than a high fidelity one into a mod Lol what ? I was refering to most people's opinion here, that the radar of either F-14 or F-18 is the best. So my question was why would somebody choose to go with the F-15 radar for a modern aircraft, if the others should be better. Thanks for the chart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 17 hours ago, Ted Striker said: So my question was why would somebody choose to go with the F-15 radar for a modern aircraft, if the others should be better. Which one is better depends on your definition and expectations. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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