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I agree, REDFOR from ED is a no-go, and people need to get over it. ED's answers have become progessively firmer over the years, in contrast to ''keeping the door open''. We need to pester the 3rd parties to do it.

 

That said, I wonder why rotorcraft seem to not be affected by this, since they're doing a Hind? Perhaps the Hind is so simplistic that there's just nothing even the Russians consider ''secret''? Or perhaps Mil design company is more willing to cooperate? Interesting anyway

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Maybe we would not get any Russian stuff still in service, but will get something like Su-17/22? After all, it was retired in the 90's, so there is little to keep classified about it nowadays. And we've already got MiG-23MLA (though 3rd party) and Mi-24P, both are too 70's-early 80's technologies, the latter is still operational with RuAF.

 

An Su-17 is going to be a great addition to the MiG-21/23 and, together with Mi-8 and -24, would pretty much close the major niches of Soviet Cold War era tactical aircraft.

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Maybe we would not get any Russian stuff still in service, but will get something like Su-17/22? After all, it was retired in the 90's, so there is little to keep classified about it nowadays.[/Quote]

 

Because something is out of service, it doesn't mean that newer aircrafts do not use systems that are based to old retired ones, so those can be security risk for new systems.

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You have your forum set up for max post per page. It is on page 100.

 

Exactly... A point that so many doesn't get with the claim "100 pages" as there ain't such....

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You seem to be cherrypicking small tidbid statements which you cannot source. Its been denied countless times in past on forums ( Ive been around here long enough) , I think you need to re listen the Alert 5 podcast.

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Thank you providing evidence why I am right and you are wrong.

 

 

SO in Short Fri wishful thinking on your behalf. IL apply your logic and start making up reasons for an F22 AND F35 are realistic expecations "cuse i want to believe everythings possible and everything subject to change Bruh"

 

Now you are making false arguments, as even in evidence you provided against yourself, you can't read what you quoted....

 

Go back to your "brain melting" question.... And ED opening new studio.... Somewhere else than Russia.

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That said, I wonder why rotorcraft seem to not be affected by this, since they're doing a Hind? Perhaps the Hind is so simplistic that there's just nothing even the Russians consider ''secret''? Or perhaps Mil design company is more willing to cooperate? Interesting anyway

 

ED has not given any logical or any sound reason "why not", just previously that they couldn't or can't until further notice. (Something can happen that changes situation).

 

What they have implied is that Russian company is not allowed to access to Russian weapons because secrets. But that foreign company in foreign country (even enemy of state) is allowed to have full access to Russian weapons if so wanted to negotiate agreement to do so.

 

So that argument that they just can't, is not logical. There is simply something they can't say. If ED would say "no one can do modern Russian aircrafts..." Then it would be logical. But it can very well as well be that ED has got an warning, why they are not willing to test ice with a stick that could they get away with one.... Anything really can be a reason.

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ED has not given any logical or any sound reason "why not", just previously that they couldn't or can't until further notice. (Something can happen that changes situation).

 

What they have implied is that Russian company is not allowed to access to Russian weapons because secrets. But that foreign company in foreign country (even enemy of state) is allowed to have full access to Russian weapons if so wanted to negotiate agreement to do so.

 

So that argument that they just can't, is not logical. There is simply something they can't say. If ED would say "no one can do modern Russian aircrafts..." Then it would be logical. But it can very well as well be that ED has got an warning, why they are not willing to test ice with a stick that could they get away with one.... Anything really can be a reason.

 

There's a great deal of difference between a MiG-29 and an Mi-24.

 

It's called "Radar." So yes, that's literally why. Fighters carry much more sensitive information than helos.

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Fri, the quote directly said ''we're not gonna do it''. It's really clear. The caveat ''if we relocate our main studio'' is a LONG ways from ''we're going to or may''. It's called a ''hypothetical''. They aren't going to move their studio JUST for the sake of making a Russian fighter. They could make a new plane every month for ten years and never touch anything east of the Rhine.

 

ED themselves have declared the solution : PESTER THE 3RD PARTIES IF YOU WANT ONE. ED isn't going to do it, and YES they've been VERY specific about why : because the Russians are uncooperative.

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Can I ask about the Phantom? I cant understand why this has never really been tackled in any sim, including DCS up until now?

 

Mostly because that statement simply is not true.

 

That depends on POV. There hasn't been any phull phi sim of her yet. Not a single one. The closest we got though is in SPh2, and before that we could phly the thing in many games dating back to dunno when, I started out with Phighter Bomber aka Strike Aces on the A500. So yes, she has been simulated multiple times to some extent. But compared to DCS, anything from the past looks like an arcade game and we especially do want to phly that thing in Vee Or with the phull clicky cockpit experience, a decent GIB AI (call Jester, he'd probably gladly jump in) and multiplayer capability.

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Mostly because that statement simply is not true.

 

List me some sims simulating a full fidelity Phantom please........in development does not count

 

I have been flying combat sims since Falcon super pak days and there was a pay ware phantom you could get for FSX and that’s it afaik.......

 

I can’t understand why it is not more popular or lusted after....and it can do carrier ops........it’s perfect for DCS for so many reasons, not least that development has already been started....


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That entirely depends on what you call 'full fidelity'. A level of detail in the systems modelling like DCS features has obviously been technically impossible for a long time. So, yes, you got it. There is no full fidelity Phantom simulation. But if you want to play that card, why stop there? There is no full fidelity Tornado simulation either (although DI's classic is still pretty good today), for a random example. No, AH-1, no MiG-27, no F-104.

 

Plus the F-4 has been previously announced, as you said it has had some development work done, and is now gathering dust on a shelf.

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That entirely depends on what you call 'full fidelity'. A level of detail in the systems modelling like DCS features has obviously been technically impossible for a long time. So, yes, you got it. There is no full fidelity Phantom simulation. But if you want to play that card, why stop there? There is no full fidelity Tornado simulation either (although DI's classic is still pretty good today), for a random example. No, AH-1, no MiG-27, no F-104.

 

Plus the F-4 has been previously announced, as you said it has had some development work done, and is now gathering dust on a shelf.

Remember, the F-4E and AH-1 was put "on hold"

 

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I can’t understand why it is not more popular or lusted after....and it can do carrier ops........it’s perfect for DCS for so many reasons, not least that development has already been started....

 

I hear you. My personal DCS dream is FF Phantom, Flogger, Foxbat, and FRG/DDR map. But we also have to realize half or most DCS players were born after 1991. AC built in the 1970's can't shoot Fox-Threes and can't turn and burn like newer jets. For me, Cold War jets over Europe would be competitive and exciting. But for a younger audience, this might not be appealing.

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Not quite

 

I hear you. My personal DCS dream is FF Phantom, Flogger, Foxbat, and FRG/DDR map. But we also have to realize half or most DCS players were born after 1991. AC built in the 1970's can't shoot Fox-Threes and can't turn and burn like newer jets. For me, Cold War jets over Europe would be competitive and exciting. But for a younger audience, this might not be appealing.

 

First, of, I remember ED saying the average is closer to 40 years old.

 

I am that average and frankly, anything older than our Hornet / Viper as a new module, would not appeal to me.

 

The Flogger is coming though, might be good in lack of other FF RED aircraft.


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Because something is out of service, it doesn't mean that newer aircrafts do not use systems that are based to old retired ones, so those can be security risk for new systems.

 

I know this, so I don't say we definitely will get this bird, but that maybe we will. I just hypothesized.

 

Still, it's much more realistic than Su-27/MiG-29 and, given that MiG-23 and Mi-24 are already being developed, it has a chance of being allowed by Russian authorities. Or at least there's a possibility that it can be made by a 3rd party, but that's a different story.

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Because something is out of service, it doesn't mean that newer aircrafts do not use systems that are based to old retired ones, so those can be security risk for new systems.

 

 

Except that (early / export models of the) Su-27 and MiG-29 are already flown by countries that are allied to any major power and even by private citizens.

 

 

So the US, China and various European countries have had the chance to take both apart and completely reverse engineer them.

 

 

All in all, I don't think that argument works anymore.

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Except that (early / export models of the) Su-27 and MiG-29 are already flown by countries that are allied to any major power and even by private citizens.

 

 

So the US, China and various European countries have had the chance to take both apart and completely reverse engineer them.

 

 

All in all, I don't think that argument works anymore.

 

It honestly doesn't matter if it does or doesn't work, if the right relevant MoDs say no, it's no.

 

Welcome to the world of defense, leave logic at the door.

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Whether something is publicly available and whether it's legal are two entirely separate things, that's not rocket science. Try crossing the US border with any of the ''publicly available and legal to own'' flight manuals floating around out there. Congratulations, you just violated ITARS!

 

See, this isn't the wild west, and ED is not a group of private modders tinkering around. They are a for profit corporation, and based in a specific country thereby beholden to their legal system and political whims. So, they actually have to do things in a semi-sensible, legal fashion to avoid being sued or jailed.

 

I don't see why it's so hard for people to understand that.

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The most anticipated unannounced aircraft for me are:

AH-64, Yak-3, Panavia Tornado and clickable Mig-29A

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The most anticipated unannounced aircraft for me are:

AH-64, Yak-3, Panavia Tornado and clickable Mig-29A

 

Excellent choices! I'd put order of preference of these at 1. clickable Mig-29A, 2. AH-64, 3. Tornado, and 4. Yak-3.

 

Unfortunately, the least likely one is the clickable Mig-29A, while the most likely one is the Tornado and is almost certain to be the mystery module...

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